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Indeed, that will be some party. Make sure you show up earing the robe of salvation.
You forgot the second half of the verse, because it once again clarifies there are those who enter and those who will not: “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
and also...rememebr to always read the whole chapter as opposed to cherry picking half verses here and there out of context.
Revelation 22 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
And of course:
Revelation 21 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
And there will be weeping, as the dross is removed:
1) Fear imposed by men will be a thing of the past. 2) Those who cannot believe now; will. 3) The offensive and contemptible receive correction. 4) Premeditation will no longer exist, there will be no hatred. 5) Licentiousor lascivious will not be present, nor unrestrained. 6) Reality will replace the delusions of men. 7) Mankind will not pursue the idols of their own selfish hearts. 8) All will come to the full knowledge of the truth.
The words of a gentle-whisperer are like delicious morsels. They go down into the inner most parts of the human body!
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Will Christ fail to accomplish Gods desire to save all people? The question implies that Jesus is not God!
Human logic verses spiritual understanding is like mixing oil and water.
The question definitely is on the side of human logic and has no spiritual revelation.
The spiritual revelation is that God will save all people.
What percentage of either are we? Fence straddlers?
Blessings, AJ
I think you may be reading a little more in to it then i intended. It is not a question that is necessarily concerned with the nature of Christ as deity, as it is a question concerned with his being the manifestation of the living word of God.
I think you may be reading a little more in to it then i intended. It is not a question that is necessarily concerned with the nature of Christ as deity, as it is a question concerned with his being the manifestation of the living word of God.
The word is just another name for God. "Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
The word is life: Luk 4:36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
If we don't have the word in us, we don't have life. 1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
So yes, Christ's nature and manifestation are one and the same, for Christ is the word confirmed.
Blessings, AJ
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But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice
magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
And there will be weeping, as the dross is removed:
1) Fear imposed by men will be a thing of the past. 2) Those who cannot believe now; will. 3) The offensive and contemptible receive correction. 4) Premeditation will no longer exist, there will be no hatred. 5) Licentious or lascivious will not be present, nor unrestrained. 6) Reality will replace the delusions of men. 7) Mankind will not pursue the idols of their own selfish hearts. 8) All will come to the full knowledge of the truth. The words of a gentle-whisperer are like delicious morsels.
They go down into the inner most parts of the human body!
You should attempt to comprehend the theme throughout the Scriptures;
Not a verse or two according to your own "tree" of knowledge.
IMO it is an empty gesture to go through the motions of “giving all the glory to God,” while at the same time believing that good decisions ultimately owe their existence to one’s own self.
It is obvious that a god who tortures his own offspring is not worthy of worship! Yet people still think they have to appease an angry god. If that were the case, atheism would be gone by now don't you think?
On one hand, people want to believe that angry god has been appeased by Christ's sacrifice, once for all.. But then on the other hand, they want to require ANOTHER sacrifice for the non-believers. It makes no sense at all.
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But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
And there will be weeping, as the dross is removed:
1) Fear imposed by men will be a thing of the past. 2) Those who cannot believe now; will. 3) The offensive and contemptible receive correction. 4) Premeditation will no longer exist, there will be no hatred. 5) Licentiousor lascivious will not be present, nor unrestrained. 6) Reality will replace the delusions of men. 7) Mankind will not pursue the idols of their own selfish hearts. 8) All will come to the full knowledge of the truth.
The words of a gentle-whisperer are like delicious morsels. They go down into the inner most parts of the human body!
You should attempt to comprehend the theme throughout the Scriptures; Not a verse or two according to your own "tree" of knowledge.
A famous theologian, (I can't remember which one) said, "You tell me what kind of God you see in the Bible, and I will know what kind of person you are."
According to ETers God will sustain people alive in an inescapable state of everlasting suffering for the purpose of eternally demonstrating to the rest of His creation how "holy" and "just" He is. Apparantly, that is the theme they see throughout the scriptures.
Back in the 1970's I said to my former ET boss, "It's as if God says, 'Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever,' and we are supposed to believe that God is love?”
And my former ET boss said to me, "Yes, that is God's definition of love not ours."
I think I said this before, but for me, the greatest manifestation of God's grace in action on this earth is that anyone can believe that and not go stark raving mad thinking about it. Here are the testimonies of many people who suffered the way that I suffered over my inability to love or trust an ET god. THE CONSEQUENSES OF ETERNAL TORMENT TEACHING Fruit from the Teaching of Hell
I'm sure that if I had not learned of the UR point of view about what the Bible teaches I would have, many years ago, been locked away in a mental hospital for the rest of my life.
It is obvious that a god who tortures his own offspring is not worthy of worship! Yet people still think they have to appease an angry god. If that were the case, atheism would be gone by now don't you think?
On one hand, people want to believe that angry god has been appeased by Christ's sacrifice, once for all.. But then on the other hand, they want to require ANOTHER sacrifice for the non-believers. It makes no sense at all.
God tortured no one, lets establish that right now! Mankind did! Don't you see....mankind has not the will to be perfect as God is, that is why we are the lesser gods.
We were subjected to this world of vanity for the test. How else do you think we could know any difference between what is right or what is wrong? In the biblical case: Good and evil.
You or I could not even exist to even be discussing any differences in views were it not that we were first given the ability to.
Non-believers are subject to whatever sources are available to the human realm of thinking limiting their ability to see things spiritually to understand the things of God.
The angry God dilemma is human conjured up theory thereby subject to its consequences.
Jesus revealed not an angry God but a loving God.
Quite the opposite wouldn't you say?
Remember, we are in the flesh and whatever thoughts apart from Godly thoughts are strictly fleshly. Oil and water.
Blessings, AJ
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"The theme throughout the scriptures"
