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Old 02-01-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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I have noticed lately that it seems almost no other word in the New Testament has created so many differences in how people understand the Bible.

It is sooooo important to understand what Scripture means when it says "all". Is it saying "all without distinction", "all without exception" or some other kind of "all"... ? Very important!!!!

Wouldn't you agree?
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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yes.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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I have noticed lately that it seems almost no other word in the New Testament has created so many differences in how people understand the Bible.

It is sooooo important to understand what Scripture means when it says "all". Is it saying "all without distinction", "all without exception" or some other kind of "all"... ? Very important!!!!

Wouldn't you agree?
It is important to understand that scripture is not originating from english, so the definition of the english word "all" is often putting the cart before the horse.

The english word all is not where the study of scripture should start, it is the ancient greek word "pas" and the ancient hebrew word "kole" that is most commonly translated to "All".

Their definitions do not contain only the english word "all".
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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It is important to understand that scripture is not originating from english, so the definition of the english word "all" is often putting the cart before the horse.

The english word all is not where the study of scripture should start, it is the ancient greek word "pas" and the ancient hebrew word "kole" that is most commonly translated to "All".

Their definitions do not contain only the english word "all".
Cool. Are those two words consistently translated as "all" in the English Scriptures? How do those two words differ in meaning? Thanks!
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Cool. Are those two words consistently translated as "all" in the English Scriptures? How do those two words differ in meaning? Thanks!
I am not sure how they are used in every instance in the english translations, but I think the word "all" is most common. The KJV seems to use the phrase "As many as" which is probably consistant with the definition "any".


Judging from their definitions, they are pretty much identical in how they can be used.


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H3605 kol kole
or (Jer. 33:8) kowl {kole};
from H3634; properly, the whole; hence, all, any or every (in the singular
only, but often in a plural sense)
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G3956 pas pas
including all the forms of declension;
apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole
It comes down to the context in which people apply to the verses.

For instance, in my belief structure I believe God loves ALL human beings, however some doctrines will teach a context that will say God loves only all of his chosen, but hates the rest.

So their context is simply all of a specified group.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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We are a generation that has absolutely no excuse. The Word of God has never been more readily available to more people than any other period in History.

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Old 02-01-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Interesting, thanks all.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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We are a generation that has absolutely no excuse. The Word of God has never been more readily available to more people than any other period in History.

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the excuse is called laziness. most dont care. the dont want to toil over scripture because it might actually challange the common belief.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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the excuse is called laziness. most dont care. the dont want to toil over scripture because it might actually challange the common belief.


Lord, help us to be diligent.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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Hi Steph,

Here are some thoughts on the word "all".

All must mean all, within the implied context. If I say "I will see all the world", that has a different meaning than saying "God sees all the world". Clearly God can literally see everything and everyone in the world, therefore that is what it means. But I cannot so a statement such as "I will see all the world" is more of an implied metaphor.

For those who wish to say "all" does not mean "all", let us understand that words mean things, and if their definition changes arbitrarily, we may as well be speaking gibberish. Reminds me about something from Alice in Wonderland, "words mean exactly what I mean them to say" or something like that... anyway, I posted this in the another forum:

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"All" must mean "all" within any specific descriptors that are applied to it.
For example:
1. all mankind - everyone who has ever existed
2. all the students at my school - only the students at my school; all of them

It can only be limited to something less than "all" if literal "all" is a logical impossibility.
For example:
1. all mankind have sinned - obviously this does not include Jesus, but due to context we can determine that it means everyone who has ever existed (excluding Jesus).

"All" could also be used metaphorically or as an exaggeration.
However arbitrarily changing the word "all" to mean "some" or "all sorts" renders the word meaningless.

In 1 Tim 2:4, we read that God will have all men to be saved. I don't think this was an exaggeration or some kind of metaphor. There is no need to restrict this statement - God is all powerful. This can only mean literally all mankind, dead or alive, future, past, present. God can work outside the restrictions of time and life/death.

To say it is referring to "all sorts" of men is simply twisting the words, for the scripture could have been easily written that way to clarify.
To say that God cannot achieve His will, or this is simply a 'weak wish', is to call God a failure.
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