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Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Now some will claim that the Grace is the Gift and the Faith is NOT a gift. Let's think about how absurd that it is in light of this verse.
If Faith itself is not a gift then it means the Grace is EARNED through faith and therefore the Grace could not be a gift either. Therefore, the only way that Grace can be a GIFT is if the Faith is a GIFT also.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Now some will claim that the Grace is the Gift and the Faith is NOT a gift. Let's think about how absurd that it is in light of this verse.
If Faith itself is not a gift then it means the Grace is EARNED through faith and therefore the Grace could not be a gift either. Therefore, the only way that Grace can be a GIFT is if the Faith is a GIFT also.
Have you looked into what the likeliest meaning of the Greek is, for this verse?
Both grace and faith are feminine nouns, making it very unlikely that either is the intended antecedent of the word "that" (which is neutral).
Have you looked into what the likeliest meaning of the Greek is, for this verse?
Both grace and faith are feminine nouns, making it very unlikely that either is the intended antecedent of the word "that" (which is neutral).
You are correct Steph.
Eph 2:8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present," (Concordant Literal)
Since there is no near antecedent for "that," or "this" in the Concordant Literal) which agrees with that word I would say that everything in the verses prior to "it is God's approach present" is speaking of the "that" and is not out of us. Neither the grace nor faith originated in us. But what is God's approach present? It is the giving of His Son to death so there would be peace between us and God. Now we can approach God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Now some will claim that the Grace is the Gift and the Faith is NOT a gift. Let's think about how absurd that it is in light of this verse.
If Faith itself is not a gift then it means the Grace is EARNED through faith and therefore the Grace could not be a gift either. Therefore, the only way that Grace can be a GIFT is if the Faith is a GIFT also.
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Originally Posted by Checkered24
Salvation is the gift, and it is acheived through faith and grace.
well said,
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
"being saved" is the gift of God.. Eph 2:8 expalins that very well
What's the gift? Grace or faith or both? I vote for grace.
If you say it is Grace only and Faith is the access to Grace, then Grace really then becomes a gift based on works. So that could not be the case because Grace can't be a gift and also something earned based on works.
Remember Faith is the access to Grace. Faith allows us to enter into Grace.
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
If faith is a gift, then how does it make sense for people to be commanded to believe/have faith? What if they weren't in line to get the gift?
That is EXACTLY might intent of this post. It is to get someone to REALLY Think about it.
The conclusion is that ONLY a select few are being GIVEN (not earned) both Faith and Grace right now (The Chosen). I believe the rest will receive it later.
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