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We are all born as sinners. This is a message that is being destroyed by many faiths but is needed to understand our plight from the very beginning.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The "Many" in that verse is a translational insert. The "many" is actually referring to all (minus Christ) and is referring to the sin of Adam.
As members of his body we are all sinners from birth. However, this doesn't mean that we are sinners if we do what is righteous. Consider the following:
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die
Notice the "IF" there. We are punished even for the sins of our fathers SO LONG AS we continue in sin. HOWEVER, if we turn from our sins then the following applies:
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
If you read Ezekiel only in part you will miss the clear understanding of this chapter 18. The chapter is showing us that we DO inherit the sins of the Fathers. In fact it even shows that the Jews KNEW this because they had a proverb that says the following:
Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
The chapter goes on to show that YOU WILL BE punished for your fathers sins UNLESS you repent. IF you repent, your fathers sins shall not be visited upon you.
Additionally, the chapter shows that we are sinners UNTIL we are righteous. So what nature is ours by default? (disobedient or righteous)? - the answer is disobedient. So as soon as we are born we carry an offence of disobedience. We must BECOME righteous to SHED that which is disobedient.
We are all born as sinners. This is a message that is being destroyed by many faiths but is needed to understand our plight from the very beginning.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The "Many" in that verse is a translational insert. The "many" is actually referring to all (minus Christ) and is referring to the sin of Adam.
As members of his body we are all sinners from birth. However, this doesn't mean that we are sinners if we do what is righteous. Consider the following:
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die
Notice the "IF" there. We are punished even for the sins of our fathers SO LONG AS we continue in sin. HOWEVER, if we turn from our sins then the following applies:
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
If you read Ezekiel only in part you will miss the clear understanding of this chapter 18. The chapter is showing us that we DO inherit the sins of the Fathers. In fact it even shows that the Jews KNEW this because they had a proverb that says the following:
Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
The chapter does on to show that YOU WILL BE punished for your fathers sins UNLESS you repent. IF you repent, your fathers sins shall not be visited upon you.
Additionally, the chapter shows that we are sinners UNTIL we are righteous. So what nature is ours by default? (disobedient or righteous)? - the answer is disobedient. So as soon as we are born we carry an offence of disobedience. We must BECOME righteous to SHED that which is disobedient.
The day humans become “righteous”, is the day we let the world go, and do the will of Jehovah, as Jesus said. if we want to be seen as his spiritual family, (Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother). Many Christians believe they are “saved”, because they are baptized. As my sister said, “all one has to do on his death bed is repent” her minister husband taught her that, Sadly it’s wrong. because one wants to basically say i'm sorry to God,god, because they fear of going to "hell"
When she intentionally sin, she says…”I’ll just repent later” that playing with Jehovah God’s intelligence, he not one to be played with ,(Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap). Also if her husband was a true follower of Jesus, and his servant, (God), he would know death is a payment for sins,(Rom.-6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And Rom.6:7 -For he that is dead is freed from sin).
NO one is save until the end, and if Jehovah‘s find favor in us, (Matt.24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). peace
We are all born as sinners. This is a message that is being destroyed by many faiths but is needed to understand our plight from the very beginning.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The "Many" in that verse is a translational insert. The "many" is actually referring to all (minus Christ) and is referring to the sin of Adam.
As members of his body we are all sinners from birth. However, this doesn't mean that we are sinners if we do what is righteous. Consider the following:
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die
Notice the "IF" there. We are punished even for the sins of our fathers SO LONG AS we continue in sin. HOWEVER, if we turn from our sins then the following applies:
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
If you read Ezekiel only in part you will miss the clear understanding of this chapter 18. The chapter is showing us that we DO inherit the sins of the Fathers. In fact it even shows that the Jews KNEW this because they had a proverb that says the following:
Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
The chapter goes on to show that YOU WILL BE punished for your fathers sins UNLESS you repent. IF you repent, your fathers sins shall not be visited upon you.
Additionally, the chapter shows that we are sinners UNTIL we are righteous. So what nature is ours by default? (disobedient or righteous)? - the answer is disobedient. So as soon as we are born we carry an offence of disobedience. We must BECOME righteous to SHED that which is disobedient.
This mean that parents and God parents and other prayer intercessors must pray for Babies and young children under the age of deception understanding and then pray for a lead of God spirit for youth who have not converted and received Jesus spirit..... As Jesus will make a plan for their life and even if they were to pass on , with prayer of Jesus blood will collect these young children and bring them to Heaven....... But if there is no prayer for the youth people , and no faith given to the Lord then these young children if were to pass on could be lost to the Lord as they are born sinners and there is nothing the Lord can do with out His children asking forgiveness of sin for these young people
Me, too. Ezek. 18 needs to be read along with Jer. 31:
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Me, too. Ezek. 18 needs to be read along with Jer. 31:
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
There is no contradiction. The scritpures everywhere in context show that the children are punished for the sins of their fathers UNTIL the son repents. And a Father that has repented is not held to bear the sins of his wicked son. THAT is what the scriptures are telling us.
Remember Ezekial says "if":
Eze 18:5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
...
See if a man is NOT JUST then he is a sinner STILL.
So what others are not seeing in Ezekial 18 is that those that will not receive punishment for their sins are those that REPENTED. If you have to repent then it means you were UNRIGHTEOUS to begin with. The chapter is showing that those that will not be punished for their fathers sins are those that REPENTED of sin. OTHERWISE, they STILL are to be punished even for their fathers sins.
This mean that parents and God parents and other prayer intercessors must pray for Babies and young children under the age of deception understanding and then pray for a lead of God spirit for youth who have not converted and received Jesus spirit..... As Jesus will make a plan for their life and even if they were to pass on , with prayer of Jesus blood will collect these young children and bring them to Heaven....... But if there is no prayer for the youth people , and no faith given to the Lord then these young children if were to pass on could be lost to the Lord as they are born sinners and there is nothing the Lord can do with out His children asking forgiveness of sin for these young people
There is no contradiction. The scritpures everywhere in context show that the children are punished for the sins of their fathers UNTIL the son repents. And a Father that has repented is not held to bear the sins of his wicked son. THAT is what the scriptures are telling us.
Remember Ezekial says "if":
Eze 18:5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
...
See if a man is NOT JUST then he is a sinner STILL.
So what others are not seeing in Ezekial 18 is that those that will not receive punishment for their sins are those that REPENTED. If you have to repent then it means you were UNRIGHTEOUS to begin with. The chapter is showing that those that will not be punished for their fathers sins are those that REPENTED of sin. OTHERWISE, they STILL are to be punished even for their fathers sins.
I'm sorry but the Scriptures do not bear out what you claim.
The "Law" doesn't agree with your claim:
Deut. 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Messiah doesnt' agree with you. This is what He says about children in Matt. 18:
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Paul doesn't agree with your claim:
Gal. 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
And Ezekiel and Jeremiah both say a person is not guitly of anothers sin. We are not born with Adam's sin. Do we pay the consequences of his sin? Yes, we live in a fallen world. Just as the child of an alcoholic parent pays the consequences of his father's sin, but does not inherit the sin itself.
Messiah also made it clear we are not responsible for what we cannot help when He stated:"If you were blind, you would have no sin" (John 10:41)
This applies also to infants, and young children. They are innocent/have no sin or are not 'born into sin.'
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