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Originally Posted by Saintmarks
I was raised Baptist, a denomination that takes its name for this observance so I have been raised to believe in the importance of this sacrament. Yet those that believe that regeneration comes thru water are missing the message of the whole of scripture.
Perhaps I missed it as I did not read every post in this thread word for word, but no one has mentioned the thief on the cross next to Jesus. Jesus said he would see him that day in paradise. Who took him down and baptized this thief before he died?
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Saintmarks Good to meet you..
You ask good questions..
Listen close.... THINK!!
1) Baptist's reject baptism as only being SYMBOLIC!!
Christians have ALWAYS baptized to save!
THE GREAT COMMISSION:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and
make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...
Saintmarks BAPTISM makes disciples!!
SO RIGHT OFF... Baptism can't be SYMBOLIC, it makes Jesus BROTHERS!
Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his
disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
PROVING the Baptist Church does NOT teach scriptures, because it reject's baptism!
Saintmarks QUESTION: How are DISCIPLES MADE?
2) Jesus never, ever baptizes with WATER.. NEVER!!!
If you hear of a Baptism done in the scriptures then it is the CHURCH baptizing with WATER!!
FACT: The Church never, ever baptizes with SPIRIT.. NEVER!!!
Right off... You are stuck thinking only spirit baptism is scriptural!
LOOK...
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water
and the Spirit.
Saintmarks THEN we read this in the same chapter... (No coincidence)
We read this next after John 3:5...
John 3:22
After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
23 Now John
also was baptizing at
Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
Saintmarks QUESTION WHY were they BAPTIZING at
Aenon near Salim???
You MUST reject John 3:22-23 to believe WATER and Baptism does
NOT go together!
Saintmarks Do you understand the meaning of the word "
AND"?! John 3:5 above tells you what??!! "Water
AND Spirit"
NOT..
Not spirit ALONE!
NOT...
Not the water of the womb.. Or John 3:5 would be worded this way..
"no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of the Spirit."
To think Jesus had to mention the waters of the womb is thinking, there are some people
NOT from the womb!!
No one in their right mind would have to point out, a person must be ALIVE before they can be reborn!
NEXT we read this...
John 4:1
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John — 2 although
in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
QUESTION was the CHURCH (Disciples) baptizing with SPIRIT or water, in John 4:1-2!??
Jesus was
NOT baptizing because he only baptizes with; "Fire and Spirit!"
The Bride; washes the sins and re-FORMS the children of Adam into the Children of God!
The Groom sends the GIFT...
Saintmarks It takes TWO parents to form a Child!
I have God the |Groom as Father!
I have Church the Bride as Mother!
You are mother-less; No MOTHER, then not God' child!
All of the Children of God enter the throne room!
The Children of the King enter the throne room!
Baptism makes Jesus' BROTHERS..
Baptism makes God' children..
Children of the KING!
Saintmarks The Queen of England has 70 million subjects..
BUT..
But only her CHILDREN can enter the "Throne room"!
All 70 million can walk in Her Gardens.. None will have an inheritance!!
3) The "Thief On the Cross" ended up in a Garden.. Paradise is a Garden, in heaven it is
NOT the throne room!
The CHURCH, the Apostles are sitting on thrones, in the Throne Room!
The Baptized are God' children his Children enter the Throne room!!
Saintmarks The "Thief On The Cross" was
NOT baptized!
He died before Pentecost, he died before he could be Washed by the Bride!!
Saintmarks He died before the "Great Commission"!!!!
The Thief ended up in the Garden!!
John the Baptist the same thing!!
Saintmarks John died before Pentecost!!!!!!!
Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist;
yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
John ended up in Paradise!!!
Baptism saves.. The Baptist Church is a lie, it rejects baptism as symbolic!!
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and
be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Question:
be baptized How??!
With water or Spirit???
ANSWER IS BOTH!!! This is the first day of Pentecost!
Be Baptized for the forgiveness of sins!
Receive the GIFT!!
The Groom sends the Gift!
The Bride does the FORMING!
Saintmarks Two (2) parents!
Baptism
ADDS Disciples to Jesus BODY!!
The BRIDE BAPTIZED three Thousand the first day of Pentecost!
The Bride re-FORMED three Thousand into Jesus' body, the first day of Pentecost: By Baptism!
The BRIDE
"ADDED" Three Thousand to the "BODY OF JESUS" the first day of Pentecost!
Acts 2:40
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “
Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.â€
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand
were added to their number that day.
Baptism
ADDS disciples to Jesus' Holy BODY!!
Baptism is WATER & SPIRIT!
I made the QUESTIONS in
lime green so you would see them!
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