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Old 03-28-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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I'm pulling out something I asked on another thread because I'd like to hear what others have to say regarding the idea that non-Christians (or perhaps even Christians who veer from traditional Christianity) are guilty of the sin of unbelief:

IF someone believes that God exists, that the biblical accounts are all literally true and accurate, and that the traditional Christian understanding of salvation is the correct one and THEN chooses to disregard it ... that, imo, would constitute a "sin of unbelief". But if someone does NOT believe some or all of those things to be true, how can they be guilty for disregarding them?
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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Absolutely correct.

God will not judge a person for what they do not know. It is a sin ONLY when one KNOWS they are doing wrong and STILL does it.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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How does this make you guilty of the sin of unbelief if this is what you currently believe to be true?
Ah, I see. I think you misunderstood my op (the wording I chose was ambiguous, so I apologize for the confusion). I did NOT mean that if you once believed the things in the op to be true and then came to a different belief/understanding that that would make you guilty of unbelief. I meant that if you STILL believed those things, but chose to disregard them and not live your life in accordance to what you believed was true, it would be the sin of unbelief.

Clear as mud?
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Ah, I see. I think you misunderstood my op (the wording I chose was ambi I meant that if you STILL believed those things, but chose to disregard them and not live your life in accordance to what you believed was true, it would be the sin of unbelief.

Clear as mud?
You mean folks like this guy?



I am more like this guy:



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Old 03-28-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Dying in unbelief is an unpardonable sin. When people stand at the white throne judgment, there will be no one to defend them, and no one to consider their excuses (like the one you present in the OP). The only way to to the Father is through Jesus Christ, and if you reject that way for any reason, then there are no other ways to salvation. Excuses won't save the person who rejected salvation.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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You mean folks like this guy?
I don't know who either one of them is. But, is the guy in the first pic crying because he perhaps felt guilty for doing something that went against what he believed? In that case, no, I don't believe he's guilty of unbelief, otherwise he wouldn't be remorseful.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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I am not familar with all thsoe but even they like others who have committed the same sins is impossible for me to tell you ig they have received forgiveness.Famous people can comitt the same sins as non-famous people can. Adultry is the same sin regardless ;for example.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Dying in unbelief is an unpardonable sin. When people stand at the white throne judgment, there will be no one to defend them, and no one to consider their excuses (like the one you present in the OP). The only way to to the Father is through Jesus Christ, and if you reject that way for any reason, then there are no other ways to salvation. Excuses won't save the person who rejected salvation.
And so your answer to the question is?

But if someone does NOT believe some or all of those things to be true, how can they be guilty for disregarding them?
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Dying in unbelief is an unpardonable sin. When people stand at the white throne judgment, there will be no one to defend them, and no one to consider their excuses (like the one you present in the OP). The only way to to the Father is through Jesus Christ, and if you reject that way for any reason, then there are no other ways to salvation. Excuses won't save the person who rejected salvation.
I realize that this is your understanding, Finn. If you take the idea of salvation or religion of any sort out of the question, though, it perhaps would be easier to answer. An example ... do you believe that the easter bunny is real? What if someone gave you reasons why they believed it to be true that made complete sense to them and they told you something bad would happen to you if you didn't believe (no candy for you, little boy!), but you remained unconvinced of the truth of it. Could you force yourself to believe it even though you did not believe it to be true? If not, how could you be guilty of the sin of unbelief in the easter bunny?

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Old 03-28-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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And so your answer to the question is?

But if someone does NOT believe some or all of those things to be true, how can they be guilty for disregarding them?
I told you what it means to reject the truth, and what it results in. Your argument is same as a thief telling the judge in court that you didn't believe stealing was wrong, and therefore should not be punished. The judge will tell him that ignorance and rejection of the truth is no excuse. He is guilty whether or not he knew the law, and whether or not he agrees with the law. Same goes with people who reject Christ.
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