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Old 05-19-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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Jesus said, The Father and I are One.

~ Two makes One.
Twinity of One. In The Father and The Son.

Jesus didn't say
The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit are One.

Not Three makes One.

~ So, I believe in The Twinity, and not The Trinity.

 
Old 05-19-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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So who is Holy Spirit that God needs this part of Himself for His purpose to be fulfilled ?...... Well Holy Spirit is the spirit of God in the earth , were without Holy Spirit, God would not be able to even go to the earth.........Holy Spirit is the deliverer of all blessing of the blood of Jesus in all the earth, so without Holy Spirit , God could forgiven men in Heaven , but these men would not receive any forgiveness from God , no one sin would be forgiven , and no one would be saved and the dark spirit would run rough shot on all the earth as God would have No power to deliver to the earth, , As Holy Spirit delivers to power and forgiveness that Jesus Judges ..... No Christian would have any gifts of Holy Spirit and the covenant of the new creation would not happen and God cannot deliver any blessing to the earth without Holy Spirit.... Then also there would not need to have any faith to receive or pray to God , as Holy Spirit judges believers faith and their expectation to receive , so there would be no need to pray without Holy Spirit purpose ...... Jesus said in Matthew 12: 31-32.....``Wherefore I say to you All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven to men , but the blasphemy against Holy Spirit will not be forgiven to men, ..And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him neither in the world , neither in the world to come....``............This was spoken before the cross of Christ , and would the letter of the word to believe literal, without other purpose of Christ as all men blaspheme Holy spirit before they are converted to Christ.... This actually means Holy Spirit does not forgives sins , only Jesus and Father God together, because Holy Spirit can only deliver the blessing of forgiveness when The Lord makes the call of Judgement........ So if you reject Holy spirit and His purpose of God than your understanding in the Lord will never be whole ....
 
Old 05-19-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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Is the spirit of sonship a being?

or the spirit of slavery, is it a being?

Is the spirit of holiness a being? Rom.1:4

Is the spirit of stupor a being? Rom.11:8

Is the spirit of humanity a being? 1 Cor.2:11

Is the spirit of the world a being? 1 Cor.2:12

Is the spirit of meekness a being? 1 Cor.4:21

Is the spirit of the faith a being? 2 Cor.4:13

Is the spirit of promise a being? Eph.1:13

Is the spirit of wisdom and revelation a being? Eph.1:17

Is the spirit of your mind a being? Eph.4:23

Is the spirit of his mouth a being? 2 Thess.2:8

Is the spirit of timidity a being? 2 Tim.1:17

Is the spirit of grace a being? Heb.10:29

All the above represent by "spirit" the invisible power of whatever spirit is related to.

Likewise the holy spirit is that special invisible power to accomplish God's will.

And the spirit of Christ which dwells in our hearts is that invisible power related to Christ which is in our hearts or minds.

The spirit of sonship is that invisible power to allow us to appreciate what has been given to us.

The spirit of wisdom and revelation is that invisible power which gives us God's wisdom and revelation.

Dig?
 
Old 05-19-2012, 06:24 PM
 
Location: New England
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Originally Posted by Eusebius View Post
Is the spirit of sonship a being?

or the spirit of slavery, is it a being?

Is the spirit of holiness a being? Rom.1:4

Is the spirit of stupor a being? Rom.11:8

Is the spirit of humanity a being? 1 Cor.2:11

Is the spirit of the world a being? 1 Cor.2:12

Is the spirit of meekness a being? 1 Cor.4:21

Is the spirit of the faith a being? 2 Cor.4:13

Is the spirit of promise a being? Eph.1:13

Is the spirit of wisdom and revelation a being? Eph.1:17

Is the spirit of your mind a being? Eph.4:23

Is the spirit of his mouth a being? 2 Thess.2:8

Is the spirit of timidity a being? 2 Tim.1:17

Is the spirit of grace a being? Heb.10:29

All the above represent by "spirit" the invisible power of whatever spirit is related to.

Likewise the holy spirit is that special invisible power to accomplish God's will.

And the spirit of Christ which dwells in our hearts is that invisible power related to Christ which is in our hearts or minds.

The spirit of sonship is that invisible power to allow us to appreciate what has been given to us.

The spirit of wisdom and revelation is that invisible power which gives us God's wisdom and revelation.

Dig?
Is this a question for Bob the blood boaster ? Or the man with 3 names ?,
 
Old 05-19-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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Is this a question for Bob the blood boaster ? Or the man with 3 names ?,
It was for anyone who has an ear to hear.

I don't know who Bob the blood boaster is.
 
Old 05-19-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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Jesus said, The Father and I are One.

~ Two makes One.
Twinity of One. In The Father and The Son.

Jesus didn't say
The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit are One.

Not Three makes One.

~ So, I believe in The Twinity, and not The Trinity.
It's not that I don't believe in The Holy Spirit 0f God.
I do.

I believe in God.
I believe in God's Son.
I Believe in God's Holy Spirit.

I just don't believe they all 3 are One.

I don't believe Jesus is God Himself.
I don't believe Jesus is God's Holy Spirit.

Trinitarians not only believe that
- Jesus is The Son 0f God.
- But that God is Jesus.
- And Jesus is God's Holy Spirit.

Jesus is not One with God.
Jesus is not One with God's Holy Spirit.

Jesus is One with The Father.
As children of God we should be One with our Father too.

Jesus said I will send you 'Another Comforter' in My Name.
Jesus didn't say He'd come again in Spirit as God's Holy Spirit.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Is this a question for Bob the blood boaster ? Or the man with 3 names ?,
Hearty chuckle
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Eusebius View Post
Is the spirit of sonship a being?

or the spirit of slavery, is it a being?

Is the spirit of holiness a being? Rom.1:4

Is the spirit of stupor a being? Rom.11:8

Is the spirit of humanity a being? 1 Cor.2:11

Is the spirit of the world a being? 1 Cor.2:12

Is the spirit of meekness a being? 1 Cor.4:21

Is the spirit of the faith a being? 2 Cor.4:13

Is the spirit of promise a being? Eph.1:13

Is the spirit of wisdom and revelation a being? Eph.1:17

Is the spirit of your mind a being? Eph.4:23

Is the spirit of his mouth a being? 2 Thess.2:8

Is the spirit of timidity a being? 2 Tim.1:17

Is the spirit of grace a being? Heb.10:29

All the above represent by "spirit" the invisible power of whatever spirit is related to.

Likewise the holy spirit is that special invisible power to accomplish God's will.

And the spirit of Christ which dwells in our hearts is that invisible power related to Christ which is in our hearts or minds.

The spirit of sonship is that invisible power to allow us to appreciate what has been given to us.

The spirit of wisdom and revelation is that invisible power which gives us God's wisdom and revelation.

Dig?
The Holy Spirit is a "person".

Much of what you listed are "fruits"/works of the Holy Spirit that works within and through the believer.

Only when we yield to self can the Holy Spirit work. Humility is one of a Christians greatest attributes.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's not that I don't believe in The Holy Spirit 0f God.
I do.

I believe in God.
I believe in God's Son.
I Believe in God's Holy Spirit.

I just don't believe they all 3 are One.

I don't believe Jesus is God Himself.
I don't believe Jesus is God's Holy Spirit.

Trinitarians not only believe that
- Jesus is The Son 0f God.
- But that God is Jesus.
- And Jesus is God's Holy Spirit.

Jesus is not One with God.
Jesus is not One with God's Holy Spirit.

Jesus is One with The Father.
As children of God we should be One with our Father too.

Jesus said I will send you 'Another Comforter' in My Name.
Jesus didn't say He'd come again in Spirit as God's Holy Spirit.
My question is this: In the scheme of things, does it really matter whether we believe in the trinity or in only Father-Son "twinity". Why do so many Christians spend so much time debating such things rather than spending time edifying one another regardless of doctrinal and theological differences. Day after day on this forum people grapple over every little point and miss the big picture. For what?
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:57 AM
 
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My question is this: In the scheme of things, does it really matter whether we believe in the trinity or in only Father-Son "twinity". Why do so many Christians spend so much time debating such things rather than spending time edifying one another regardless of doctrinal and theological differences. Day after day on this forum people grapple over every little point and miss the big picture. For what?
Amen! Heartsong!
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