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I disagree with Christianity but I defend the right for all Christians to practice their religion, have their beliefs, and have all the same rights I have as a non-Christian. I am glad that there are Christians out there, specifically LDS in this case, that have the same perspective.
For the folks who are confused and trying to claim that Mormons aren’t exactly preaching “out and proud” (as in being sexually active), that’s not what it’s about. It’s about putting aside your personal beliefs for a minute in the name of the greater good, because someone could just as easily try to take away your rights in the name of their beliefs. Instead of doing that, if we can all suspend our beliefs for just long enough and step outside ourselves just enough to grant other people their human rights, we will have a much more peaceful society.
As Voltaire said: “I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” The same goes for not just speaking, but letting people live their lives harmlessly, the way they want to.
That's nice to hear. You know, there is a thread on another forum I post on that's discussing this same incident. I said pretty much the same thing on that forum as I did here, and you know what? A straight male (who also happens to not believe in God) posted the following in response to my post: "When you say that homosexuality is "sinful", you're speaking against the character of my friends and loved ones. When you say that God will punish the "sinner", you're talking about the punishment (torment?) of my friends and loved ones... presumably at the hands of a god you think very highly of."
All I was trying to say (and you seemed to understand, even though this other person didn't) that each of us has to determine what we personally believe to be right or wrong. Those who believe in a God, will naturally let their ideas about what God expects of us to play a very important part in determining our value system. But as much as I would like to be 100% sure that what I personally believe about God is correct, there is no way I can be. So, maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong, and someday we'll all find out. Until we do, though, I don't believe it's right for me to impose my beliefs on people who do not share them. I don't think that believing certain behaviors are wrong -- and that if they are wrong, God will hold people who engage in them accountable -- makes me a horrible, uncaring, self-righteous person. As I learned from that other poster, there are some people who see me in those terms. I guess it is what it is. Evidently, you can't please everybody.
Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Marching with the spiritual forces that are against what God condemns is not a good thing either
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
What did God reveal...
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction;....
I haven't heard of any gay pride parades whose intent was one of calling good that which God revealed as evil
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That's nice to hear. You know, there is a thread on another forum I post on that's discussing this same incident. I said pretty much the same thing on that forum as I did here, and you know what? A straight male (who also happens to not believe in God) posted the following in response to my post: "When you say that homosexuality is "sinful", you're speaking against the character of my friends and loved ones. When you say that God will punish the "sinner", you're talking about the punishment (torment?) of my friends and loved ones... presumably at the hands of a god you think very highly of."
All I was trying to say (and you seemed to understand, even though this other person didn't) that each of us has to determine what we personally believe to be right or wrong. Those who believe in a God, will naturally let their ideas about what God expects of us to play a very important part in determining our value system. But as much as I would like to be 100% sure that what I personally believe about God is correct, there is no way I can be. So, maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong, and someday we'll all find out. Until we do, though, I don't believe it's right for me to impose my beliefs on people who do not share them.
The bolded part is very mature. It is too bad far too many people think that they know they are right. "Knowing" that they are right emboldens them and makes them think they have a license to enforce what they know to be God's law and God's perspective.
Only the perspective that comes from humbling acknowledging that one might be wrong puts the brakes on acting too hastily. One doesn't want to find out later that one was wrong when they treated someone unkindly/unfairly based on what turned out to be a false belief about "God's will".
Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
I suppose those women who are not virgins on their weddings nights deserve death, also? What about those rebellious teens? Don't they deserve death, too?
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