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Wow pneuma! are you now believing God is saving all.
The kingdom of God is within us, God sowed wheat within us (all the good seed), the devil sowed tares within us (all the bad seed).
Every tare within the kingdom/US will be seperated from us.
So you are admitting that the tares are in all of us as well as the wheat. For that is what you said, and if that is the case then according to the rest of the verse the tares are separated from the wheat and burned in the fire. The tares which the devil sowed within us.
If God pulls out the tares then what do we have left in us but the wheat. So we will all have only wheat in us after the harvest. Thus we will all be gathered into his kingdom. This is the process for every field and thus everyone is saved...hallelujah praise God!
I have believed in the salvation of all for most of my life cimaroon.
It sound like you also believe it.
The only thing we differ on here my friend is who sowed the tares, you seem to beleive God sowed them in man in His creation of man, I believe they were sown in man by the devil, which Paul calls it the law of sin in our members. Thus with our mind we serve the law of God, but our flesh we serves the law of sin.
The OT people did not KNOW, they had knowledge of Him but did not really KNOWthe Father, they had but a babies understanding of Him. An understanding that many here still have, which is the belief that God does good and evil.
They simply wrote what they believed of God, but that does not make their view of God correct.
They were in search of God, but He (God) was not revealed unto man until Jesus came and revealed the Father to us.
Jesus said
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Now that makes no sense God revealed himself to Moses who wrote the first five books of the Bible, God considered Abraham righteous, He said Solomon was wise....many of them including David wrote about the coming of the Messiah...so how can you say they had no knowledge of God?
They simply wrote what they believed of God, but that does not make their view of God correct.
They were in search of God, but He (God) was not revealed unto man until Jesus came and revealed the Father to us.
So then I guess it would be fair to say that your view of him may not be correct either for Jesus also said
John 6:36
But I say unto you, That ye also have see me, and believed not.
John 1:10-11
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own and his own received him not.
This poses a problem for you: The same world that he created didn't know him or receive him...NOT EVEN HIS OWN. So know how is he going to save his own...for if they are his (his own) then he cannot lose them.
Now that makes no sense God revealed himself to Moses who wrote the first five books of the Bible, God considered Abraham righteous, He said Solomon was wise....many of them including David wrote about the coming of the Messiah...so how can you say they had no knowledge of God?
I never said they had no knowledge of God, I said they had a babies understanding of God.
There is knowledge there, just not full knowledge.
So then I guess it would be fair to say that your view of him may not be correct either for Jesus also said
John 6:36
But I say unto you, That ye also have see me, and believed not.
John 1:10-11
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own and his own received him not.
This poses a problem for you: The same world that he created didn't know him or receive him...NOT EVEN HIS OWN. So know how is he going to save his own...for if they are his (his own) then he cannot lose them.
seeing and SEEING and hearing and HEARING are NOTthe same thing.
And He will not lose any, all will come to the KNOWLEDGE of the Father.
Uncultivated, growth is a natural process.
Therefore, the tares grow up with the wheat.
An agricultural parable, which has fallen on death ears.
The seeds of tares are much smaller than the wheat. And they will fall through the sieve during the harvest.
"Let them grow together, and at harvest time; they will be separated."
It's not about plowing the fields of others, it's about the natural process of our own growth.
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