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strange so many agonize of the the meaning of the bible, jesus speaks pretty clearly.
he is trying to tell you, you got a soul and need to take care of it. not everybody that scooches up to you is a nice person.
its all written in matthew 10:36
Yes, all that is sinful will be destroyed. Those who are cast into Gehenna will experience death.
And in the end, no more sinners will exist when sin and death are destroyed, are made of no effect.
If the wages of sin is annihilation, then Jesus would have been annihilated. He wasn't.
He died and He defeated death.
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That's really not what is said.
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
It says to fear Him who is able to destroy your body and soul. Says nothing about destroying all that is sinful. Just mentions one's body and soul.
And then you say: Those who are cast into Gehenna will experience death.
And in the end, no more sinners will exist when sin and death are destroyed, are made of no effect.
So sinners will not exist-you said it. That seems to say you believe in annihilation.
This passage, Matt 10:28, does not in any way support UR theology. At the very least it suggests that one can be destroyed--your person, in Gehenna. Being destroyed is the opposite of having eternal life.
All will be in Jesus, Michael, when Jesus fills all things.
Sinners will not exist when God becomes all in all, Mr. 5150.
Death is destroyed when all are given life. Sin is destroyed when all are made alive in Jesus Christ.
God bless and peace.
OK you seem to be pushing annihilation. (And what has Michael have to do with salvation???)
That's all well and good. But please consider that Matt 10:28 does not say: "Yes, all that is sinful will be destroyed."
Matt 10:28 speaks to the individual. It says what can and will happen to those who reject Christ in this life. To requote:"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Please take the words of Jesus as they are spoken. Please do not add or take away. God Bless!
So contrary to what Mike555 says, it refers to annihilation, NOT unending punishment?
That is absolutely correct chuckmann. There is no such thng as unending punishment...except that is, as it pertains to the Beast...Satan and his angels...they will have unending punishment.
Jesus is quoted as saying: Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (from the NASB)
My focus is on the concept of "destroy both soul and body". It really doesn't concern me what the actual word for hell means.
Destroy (in case one is unclear of the concept):
1. to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
2. to put an end to; extinguish.
3. to kill; slay.
4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
5. to defeat completely.
Jesus' message always contained both aspects: the results of believing vs rejecting. Jesus never said the result of both ends to be the same.
The difference of what Jesus said here was just prior to the "destroy both soul and body"... "fear Him who is able to"
While on this side of eternity, no human can fully comprehend what life in heaven is nor existing in the destruction of an eternity of hell.
One can not imagine what terror exists in hell when demons cry out in terror about if Jesus had come to destroy them. For what was designed for the devil and his demons (who are spirits) will be the same punishment for those with souls and bodies (unbelievers).
When God becomes all in all, there will be no more sinners, no more sin, no more enemies for all of eternity, no more death.
I am not adding to the words of Jesus when He spoke of Gehenna (not eternal hell).
God bless and peace.
But you just say these things without any explaination or scriptural justification. As if it is just understood. One must back up one's opinion with cites and explaination. I quoted Matt 10:28 and said take it at face value. Using generally understood definitions of the Engish language. Nowhere in Matt 10:28 does it speak of the "annihilation of sin".
Can you explain how you arrived at your conclusion in the light of Matt 10:28? I see nothing in Matt 10:28 that speaks of the "annihilation of sin". Just the destroying of body and Soul. God Bless and Peace!
Mr. 5150 I shared that those who are cast into Gehenna experience death. But I was speaking to Michael the Disciple about his reference to the lake of fire. I do not believe that Gehenna is the same as the lake of fire. In the end, and ultimately, no one will remain in an eternal state of death, or be annihilated, or experience eternal hell which many believe these references refer to.
Ephesians 1
7 In [g]Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace which He [h]lavished on [i]us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He [j] made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His [k]kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration [l]suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the *summing up of all things in Christ, things [m]in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 [n]also we [o] have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in [p]Christ would be to the praise of His glory.
summing up= anakephalaioomai= in the mid voice-to gather together again in one, to reunite under one head
(Key Word Study)
ἀνακεφαλαιόω, (ῶ: (present passive ἀνακεφαλαιοῦμαι; 1 aorist middle infinitive ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι); (from κεφαλαιόω, which see, and this from κεφάλαιον which see); to sum up (again), to repeat summarily and so to condense into a summary (as, the substance of a speech; Quintilian 6.1 'rerumrepetitioetcongregatio,quaegraece ἀνακεφαλαίωσιςdicitur' (ἔργον ῥητορικῆς ... ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι πρός ἀνάμνησιν, Aristotle, fragment 123, vol. v., p. 1499{a}, 33)); so in Romans 13:9. In Ephesians 1:10 God is said ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι τά πάντα ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ, to bring together again for himself (note the middle) all things and beings (hitherto disunited by sin) into one combined state of fellowship in Christ, the universal bond (cf. Meyer or Ellicott on Ephesians, the passage cited); (Protevangelium Jacobi 13εἰς ἐμέ ἀνεκεφαλαιώθη ἡ ἱστορία Ἀδάμ, where cf. Thilo).
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