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Is it standard for a priest to deny someone Communion? I'm sure that would make the news, and it has.
It made the news in the very liberal diocese of Washington D.C. last year, mainly due to the diocese's misguided reaction and persecution of a faithful priest. It's a complicated story.
In most cases, the priest doesn't know who is in a state of grace and who isn't, so he doesn't deny anyone communion. And in those few cases where the priest does know, or thinks he knows, most priests are trained to leave the responsibility up to the communicant.
It's only in those situations - like the Fr. Guarizno case last year - where the communicant's unworthiness to receive holy communion is known by the priest with moral certainty, and/or is well known to many others thereby creating a public scandal, that the priest has an obligation to withhold communion.
One priest told me that, when the situation calls for it, he announces beforehand that women who are not modestly dressed will receive only a blessing at the altar rail.
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Originally Posted by robertpolyglot
I'd say half the people up there are NOT in a state of grace, making it a cattle prod ritual to get up and get Communion.
Yes, I'd say at least half, probably much more. Catholics haven't been taught about this for a generation. Good catechesis is only starting to come back.
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I've gone to Church and sat out about a third of the Communions, because I hadn't been to confession. There are few who do that. I really don't give a rat's ass what these people thought.
I withhold myself from communion often. You see that a lot at the Latin Mass and also in ethnic parishes. Besides not being in a state of grace, there are other reasons not to receive, such as not having kept the eucharistic fast, not having a recollected mind, or just feeling like confession might be a good idea even if you haven't committed a mortal sin. One priest told us that it was customary not to receive communion at a requiem Mass, so that all of the graces from the Mass might be given to the departed. (Not sure how theologically sound that is ...) Church law says you must receive once per year, not every Sunday.
It's only in those situations - like the Fr. Guarizno case last year - where the communicant's unworthiness to receive holy communion is known by the priest with moral certainty, and/or is well known to many others thereby creating a public scandal, that the priest has an obligation to withhold communion.
One priest told me that, when the situation calls for it, he announces beforehand that women who are not modestly dressed will receive only a blessing at the altar rail.
Both of these situations are offensive. And the communicant's unworthiness in Washington DC was based on what? Don't answer that. I know. Also, since when is a priest able to determine what appropriately dressed is? So, too much cleavage on display means no communion? And this happened recently?
Also, since when is a priest able to determine what appropriately dressed is? So, too much cleavage on display means no communion? And this happened recently?
Every man knows when a woman is dressed in a sexually provocative way. That's a mortal sin, especially in church of all places, and a woman approaching the altar dressed this way is unlikely to be in a state of grace. If she's been warned beforehand, what's left to discuss?
Every man knows when a woman is dressed in a sexually provocative way. That's a mortal sin, especially in church of all places, and a woman approaching the altar dressed this way is unlikely to be in a state of grace. If she's been warned beforehand, what's left to discuss?
Offensive to both, and to most people with a brain.
Tell me if a girl in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil wearing a "fio dental" (dental floss) bikini is committing a mortal sin?
Absolutely unbelievable. I am very glad not to be in your shoes, nor be the owner of your brain.
I hope to be in line, GLADLY behind you, at the "Pearly Gates" or would be very content to have my ass bake in Purgatory, which I believe in, for a while, and not live with your viewpoints.
Absolutely unbelievable. I am very glad not to be in your shoes, nor be the owner of your brain.
I hope to be in line, GLADLY behind you, at the "Pearly Gates" or would be very content to have my ass bake in Purgatory, which I believe in, for a while, and not live with your viewpoints.
Such hostility.
Is anything I have said contrary to what the Church teaches?
Is anything I have said contrary to what the Church teaches?
No hostility at all.
I posted a thread within the last month where an Italian cardinal said the Catholic church is very out of touch and hasn't morphed, and I agree. What I meant is that I don't think my salvation is compromised because my views aren't as legalistic as yours. That's all.
I posted a thread within the last month where an Italian cardinal said the Catholic church is very out of touch and hasn't morphed, and I agree. What I meant is that I don't think my salvation is compromised because my views aren't as legalistic as yours. That's all.
OK, but I object to your characterization of my views as legalistic. Unless you think the Church itself is legalistic. I'm relying on grace and forgiveness for my salvation, not the moral law. And yet any Catholic who loves God hopes to please God in his moral conduct. There's nothing legalistic about that.
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