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Old 10-03-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Fundamentalists love to say that when someone learns right from wrong they are then accountable for their sins and can go to hell if they have not repented.

What these "insensitive people" fail to take into consideration is that children learn right from wrong at a very early age, sometimes as young as 3 and 4, but usually about 6 or 7. And then nuts like Hagee try and convince the rest of us rational Christians that God is torturing billions of children in the fires of hell for all eternity and that their parents in heaven are dancing around with Jesus as they look on in heaven and praise God saying, "Your judgement is just, O Lord!"

Sorry. I just had to get that off my chest.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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God doesn't care about anyone's definition of what a child is. Anyone who is at the age of accountability that can decide to accept Christ or not will be held accountable for their own choices. Point blank period. You can howl, scream, and pound your fist until the cows come home. It's not gonna change a thing.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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God doesn't care about anyone's definition of what a child is. Anyone who is at the age of accountability that can decide to accept Christ or not will be held accountable for their own choices. Point blank period. You can howl, scream, and pound your fist until the cows come home. It's not gonna change a thing.
That's utter rot.

Jesus, who hugged the little children will send them into the flames of hell. That's beyond ridiculous. It's sick!
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:51 AM
 
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the " age of accountability" is another false teaching without any biblical support. The notion of such a statement is silly. i just hope those that teach this dont make their kids repeat the "sinners prayer" when they are babies. these people probably take communion and place a piece of cookie in the kids mouth for whatever reason. Hagee calls kids burning in hell "justice". He probably is in agreement that a person who gets caught speeding should be sentenced to the death penalty. because that is justice in his silly eyes. Hagee is just anther right winger more worried about politics that shepherding people.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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God doesn't care about anyone's definition of what a child is. Anyone who is at the age of accountability that can decide to accept Christ or not will be held accountable for their own choices. Point blank period. You can howl, scream, and pound your fist until the cows come home. It's not gonna change a thing.
Question: in your theology, what happens to kids with conditions like Tay-Sachs who will never, from an intellectual perspective, be able to comprehend or communicate at even the level of a normal two- or three-year-old?
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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Man was created through no act of his own, but only through the will of God.
Man, in the Garden, was tempted by evil, the evil that God allowed to be there. and God knew what would happen. man will continually be exposed to temptation and carnal desired that God allows. But if mere mortal man does not come to know about Christ in this short lifetime, he will be sentenced to eternal torment in hell burning forever. Maybe that is the God of religion, but it sure is not the God of the Holy Scriptures.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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Calvin believed infants a 'span long' (a handspan, so infants still in the womb!) who happened to die would go to hell. He was a big believer in the 'taint' of original sin.

In the OT it talks about God cursing descendants...I do wonder about that.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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Why does anyone worry about Gods' business. He knows right from wrong.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Whenever any person reaches a point where he can conceive of the existence of God, he is held accountable by God for his volitional response to that general or natural revelation of God which has been made known to him. The Bible says that God has placed a knowledge of Himself in the heart of man, and also that creation itself is evidence of God's existence so that no one has any excuse for suppressing that knowledge.

There comes a point in the life of every person with normal cognitive functions when he, because of general or natural revelation becomes aware of the fact that there must be a cause for all that he can see. That there must be something or someone responsible for the moon and the sun and the stars, and all that he sees in the natural world around him. At that point he will either be curious about who or what is behind it all, or he won't be. At some point, the thought that there may be a supreme being responsible for all that has been created will occur to him. If he has negative volition he will simply dismiss such a thought out of hand and suppress any notion of a creator.

However, if he has positive volition he will be curious to learn whatever he can about this supreme being. If a person rejects the lesser light of God's general or natural revelation of Himself then he would also reject the greater light of the specific revelation of Jesus Christ given in the gospel message. But if that person responds to the lesser light, God will provide the greater light of the gospel so that that person can make a volitional decision regarding Christ. Positive volition to the lesser light does not necessarily mean that there will be positive volition toward the greater light of the gospel. But God holds every person who reaches the point where they can comprehend the lesser light, whatever age that may be, responsible for his attitude toward that lesser light, that general or natural revelation of Himself. The moment any particular person becomes aware of the lesser light of general revelation he has reached the age or point of accountability to God.

While general revelation is not sufficent to save, it is sufficent to condemn.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19] because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

God sees to it that any person who is positive toward the lesser light of general revelation will have the chance to hear the gospel before he dies so that he can choose to come to Christ or to reject Him.


Now any person who dies before reaching the point of accountabililty is automatically saved because of Christ's work on the cross on his behalf. Since God requires a volitional response from man, it would not be just for God to hold accountable anyone who is incapable of understanding the issue because lack of cognitive ability due to age or mental retardation.

The age or point of accountability is Scriptural. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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^ Where does original sin come into all of this, Mike? If all are born condemned why are you talking about some people as if they're innocent?

If they're automatically all saved if they have no concept of God then we should stop sending out missionaries, lest they hear and reject.

It's as unbiblical as limbo and the intercession of the saints.
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