Test Those Who Say (Micah, crucifixion, coffin, doctrine)
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- What do you mean Israel will Never be destroyed? When it was destroyed.
And by the time of Rev.11 The Gentiles tread the holy city for 3.5 years.
Jerusalem Will Spiritually Be Called Sodom & Egypt. - (What To Save now?)
Rev.13 the beast was granted to make war with the Saints
AND OVERCOME Them.
Rev.13 The Beast kills those all those who don't worship him. (Jesus doesn't save them)
Rev.14 The Lamb comes back not to fight. (But to receive 144,000 who were killed)
Rev.14:13 'blessed are those who die in The Lord from now on. (God's people are not saved).
No where does it say in The Revelation Of Jesus Christ that Jesus comes to save Israel.
Jesus comes to strike the nations and rule them. - Rev.19
But not to save Israel. It's too late for that by then.
New Day New Deal He comes to set up His kingdom on the throne of David for 1,000 years.
After the 1,000 reign on earth then New Jerusalem Comes.
Then The Kings of the new earth will bring their glory and honor into New Jerusalem. - Rev.21:24
Jesus doesn't come back in Rev.19 to save Israel but to set up His Kingdom.
~ The 10 One Hour AS Kings with the beast?
Don't form an alliance with the middle east.
They form an alliance with The Beast. - Rev.17:13
These 10 one hour as kings are of one "KINGDOM".
They give their 'Kingdom' to the beast. - Rev.17:17
They are the middle-east surrounding Jerusalem that gives the beast their 'kingdom' realm.
They will make her desolate
as The Wilderness Woman the last 3.5 yrs. - Rev.12-Rev.17:16-Rev.17:18
For they no longer want her reigning over them. - Rev.17:18
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Israel will never cease to exist 'again.' Some of the Jews are back in the land in a state of unbelief. There is since 1948 a nation or state of Israel. They are there in preparation for the Tribulation. At the end of the Tribulation Jerusalem will be attacked by Gentile armies of the antichrist or beast. Jesus will return and destroy those Armies and deliver the Jews. Then all the Jews from around the world will be regathered to Israel in a state of belief.
You might want to familarize yourself with the Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel's future. The Abrahamic, Palestinian, and Davidic covenants, and the New covenant to Israel all will be fulfilled when Christ returns to establish His Kingdom. Take a look at Jeremiah 31:31 for example. And Jeremiah 31:35-37 is God's promise to preserve Israel.
Mike, you say: "At The End 0f The Tribulation
Jerusalem Will Be Attacked By Gentiles Armies 0f The Anti-christ or Beast."
Out of the mouth of the Dragon, out of the mouth of the Beast,
and out of the mouth of the False Prophet comes spirit like frogs.
To gather the kings of the whole world. [greek]
To gather them together to The Battle Of That Great Day Of God Almighty. - Rev.16:14
To a place called "Harmagedon" [hebrew]
The kings of the world are not gathered to the place called Jerusalem,
for the battle of that great day of Jerusalem.
Mike, you say: "At The End 0f The Tribulation
Jerusalem Will Be Attacked By Gentiles Armies 0f The Anti-christ or Beast."
Out of the mouth of the Dragon, out of the mouth of the Beast,
and out of the mouth of the False Prophet comes spirit like frogs.
To gather the kings of the whole world. [greek]
To gather them together to The Battle Of That Great Day Of God Almighty. - Rev.16:14
To a place called "Harmagedon" [hebrew]
The kings of the world are not gathered to the place called Jerusalem,
for the battle of that great day of Jerusalem.
Pandora, while the Gentile armies initially gather at Har-Magedon, the geographic area in which the battle of Armageddon takes place covers all the land. That includes Jerusalem. Why do you think the armies are all gathered? It is to destroy the Jews. Satan wants to destroy the Jews in order to prevent God from fulfilling His promises to them. God is not going to let that happen. When Christ returns the Gentile armies will attempt to oppose Him and they will be destroyed, and the Jews will be delivered.
The geographic locations in which the battle of Armageddon will take place are described in the Bible as being
1. Jerusalem (Zech. 12:2-11; 14:2-3);
2. Megiddo and the plains of Esdraelon (Rev. 16:16);
3. Jehoshaphat Valley, east of Jerusalem (Ezek. 39:11; Joel 3:2, 12);
4. Edom (Isa.34:1-16; 63:1-6).
The battle of Armageddon will as Ezek. 38:9 says, cover the land.
Zechariah 12:9 ''And in that day I wil set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.''
Zechariah 14:2 'For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3] Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on day of battle.
Regarding Zechariah 14:2, the Bible Knowledge Commentary, Old Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, pg. 1569-1570, states...
This siege of Jerusalem by all the nations (i.e., their representative armies) is an early stage of the siege by the confederated Gentile armies described in 12:2-9 (cf. Isa. 34:2; Obad. 15; Rev. 16:14, 16) and known as the Battle (or better, Campaign) of Armageddon. Before the peoples of Judah and Jerusalem will be empowered for victory (Zech. 12:6-8; 14:14) and before the Lord brings about the destruction of the Gentile armies (12:9; 14:12-15), the Gentiles will at first obtain an initial but fleeting taste of victory in Jerusalem, including the typical characteristics of conquest described in verse 2. Either half of the population of Jerusalem will be left in the city (perhaps under occupational troops), or the Lord will return to destroy the enemies before their job is more than half completed.
Satan will begin to his persecution of Israel at the midpoint of the Tribulation when he is permanently thrown out of heaven and confined to the earth as per Revelation 12:13. That is when the beast will break the covenant which had been made with Israel at the beginning of the Tribulation as per Daniel 9:27. The abomination of desolation in which the beast seats himself in the temple will take place and that is the sign of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24:15 at which time those in Judea must flee to the mountains as per Matthew 24:16; Revelation 12:14. But many will not flee and they will be the objects of Satan's rage as per Revelation 12:17.
The Campaign of Armageddon will begin with the sixth bowl judgment, as per Revelation 16:12-16. And it culminates with the return of Jesus at the end of the Tribulation at which time Jesus defeats the armies who oppose Him.
Did anyone see the swarm of locusts over Israel this week? I guess it happens every year but it seems to be a bit worse this time around. Just thought i'd toss that in while you're talkin end times..
Pandora, while the Gentile armies initially gather at Har-Magedon, the geographic area in which the battle of Armageddon takes place covers all the land. That includes Jerusalem. Why do you think the armies are all gathered? It is to destroy the Jews. Satan wants to destroy the Jews in order to prevent God from fulfilling His promises to them. God is not going to let that happen. When Christ returns the Gentile armies will attempt to oppose Him and they will be destroyed, and the Jews will be delivered.
The geographic locations in which the battle of Armageddon will take place are described in the Bible as being
1. Jerusalem (Zech. 12:2-11; 14:2-3);
2. Megiddo and the plains of Esdraelon (Rev. 16:16);
3. Jehoshaphat Valley, east of Jerusalem (Ezek. 39:11; Joel 3:2, 12);
4. Edom (Isa.34:1-16; 63:1-6).
The battle of Armageddon will as Ezek. 38:9 says, cover the land.
Zechariah 12:9 ''And in that day I wil set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.''
Zechariah 14:2 'For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3] Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on day of battle.
Regarding Zechariah 14:2, the Bible Knowledge Commentary, Old Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, pg. 1569-1570, states...
This siege of Jerusalem by all the nations (i.e., their representative armies) is an early stage of the siege by the confederated Gentile armies described in 12:2-9 (cf. Isa. 34:2; Obad. 15; Rev. 16:14, 16) and known as the Battle (or better, Campaign) of Armageddon. Before the peoples of Judah and Jerusalem will be empowered for victory (Zech. 12:6-8; 14:14) and before the Lord brings about the destruction of the Gentile armies (12:9; 14:12-15), the Gentiles will at first obtain an initial but fleeting taste of victory in Jerusalem, including the typical characteristics of conquest described in verse 2. Either half of the population of Jerusalem will be left in the city (perhaps under occupational troops), or the Lord will return to destroy the enemies before their job is more than half completed.
Satan will begin to his persecution of Israel at the midpoint of the Tribulation when he is permanently thrown out of heaven and confined to the earth as per Revelation 12:13. That is when the beast will break the covenant which had been made with Israel at the beginning of the Tribulation as per Daniel 9:27. The abomination of desolation in which the beast seats himself in the temple will take place and that is the sign of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24:15 at which time those in Judea must flee to the mountains as per Matthew 24:16; Revelation 12:14. But many will not flee and they will be the objects of Satan's rage as per Revelation 12:17.
The Campaign of Armageddon will begin with the sixth bowl judgment, as per Revelation 16:12-16. And it culminates with the return of Jesus at the end of the Tribulation at which time Jesus defeats the armies who oppose Him.
~ Mike, There Are No Scriptures In The Revelation Of Jesus Christ
Which Tell Of Him Coming To Save Jerusalem Israel.
He comes and takes a remnant The 144,000 0f All The Tribes 0f Israel. - Rev.14
They don't make it out alive.
They don't worship the image of the beast so he kills them. - Rev.13:15
I think your beliefs of Rev.19 are mixed within the timings of:
The 1,000 yr Reign: 'The Regernation'. - Matt.19:28 - Rev.20
The only ones who reign with Him 'in the regenernation' of the 1,000 yrs
will be those who have or will die.
The 12 Apostles on Thrones & those beheaded by the beast:
Which constitutes, The 12, The 144,000 along w/any others beheaded by the beast. - Rev.20:4
Jesus Doesn't Save Israel or Jerusalem
or those who will Reign with Him in the 1,000 yrs from the beast.
"And I saw souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God who had not worshiped the beast of his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they reigned with Christ for a 1,000 yrs." - Rev.20:4
Now, God does Save them After The 1,000 yrs when Satan is released from his prison.
when Satan goes out to deceive the Nations in the 4 corners of the earth
and (again) Gathers Them Together To Battle this time to battle those of the beloved city.
Satan and those Nations go up to the breath of the earth
and Surround The Camp Of The Saints & The Beloved City. - Rev.20:7-9
This time God saves them.
So although I do believe those Scriptures your giving?
There just not all about Jesus coming in Rev.19 to save Jerusalem,Israel.
Most those scriptures are for after the fact of when Jesus had set up His Davidic Kingdom -Rev.20
Then God saves them. God sends fire out of the sky and devoures them
and the devil is sent to the lake of fire w/the beast & false prophet. - Rev.20:9,10
See what I'm saying? -
Last edited by RevelationWriter; 03-05-2013 at 06:30 AM..
~ Mike, There Are No Scriptures In The Revelation Of Jesus Christ
Which Tell Of Him Coming To Save Jerusalem Israel.
He comes and takes a remnant The 144,000 0f All The Tribes 0f Israel. - Rev.14
They don't make it out alive.
They don't worship the image of the beast so he kills them. - Rev.13:15
I think your beliefs of Rev.19 are mixed within the timings of:
The 1,000 yr Reign: 'The Regernation'. - Matt.19:28 - Rev.20
The only ones who reign with Him 'in the regenernation' of the 1,000 yrs
will be those who have or will die.
The 12 Apostles on Thrones & those beheaded by the beast:
Which constitutes, The 12, The 144,000 along w/any others beheaded by the beast. - Rev.20:4
Jesus Doesn't Save Israel or Jerusalem
or those who will Reign with Him in the 1,000 yrs from the beast.
"And I saw souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God who had not worshiped the beast of his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they reigned with Christ for a 1,000 yrs." - Rev.20:4
Now, God does Save them After The 1,000 yrs when Satan is released from his prison.
when Satan goes out to deceive the Nations in the 4 corners of the earth
and (again) Gathers Them Together To Battle this time to battle those of the beloved city.
Satan and those Nations go up to the breath of the earth
and Surround The Camp Of The Saints & The Beloved City. - Rev.20:7-9
This time God saves them.
So although I do believe those Scriptures your giving?
There just not all about Jesus coming in Rev.19 to save Jerusalem,Israel.
Most those scriptures are for after the fact of when Jesus had set up His Davidic Kingdom -Rev.20
Then God saves them. God sends fire out of the sky and devoures them
and the devil is sent to the lake of fire w/the beast & false prophet. - Rev.20:9,10
See what I'm saying? -
Pandora, Revelation 20:9-10 has nothing to do with the Tribulation. That passage concerns events at the end of the Millennium and are separated from the events of the Tribulation by 1000 years.
In post #13 I showed you passages from Zechariah which plainly state that Jesus will deliver Jerusalem from the Gentile armies at the end of the Tribulation. You can't just isolate Revelation chapter 19 from the rest of Scripture which deals with the Tribulation and assume that you are seeing the entire picture. Zechariah 12:9 and 14:2-3 deal with Jesus destroying the Gentile armies which come against Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:4 shows that this refers to the Tribulation. Not to the end of the Millennium as I get the impression you think it does. When Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation He will set foot on the Mount of Olives which is the same place He ascended into heaven (See Acts 1:9-12).
You are also disregarding Revelation chapter 12 as well as Matthew 24:15-16 which speak of God's provision for the Jews by providing a place in the wilderness to which those who paid attention to Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:15-16 (yes, the Bible will be around during the Tribulation) will flee and be protected from Satan's attempt to destroy them.
The book of Revelation puts together the Old Testament passages which deal with the Tribulation.
I also posted the following.
Regarding Zechariah 14:2, the Bible Knowledge Commentary, Old Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, pg. 1569-1570, states...
This siege of Jerusalem by all the nations (i.e., their representative armies) is an early stage of the siege by the confederated Gentile armies described in 12:2-9 (cf. Isa. 34:2; Obad. 15; Rev. 16:14, 16) and known as the Battle (or better, Campaign) of Armageddon. Before the peoples of Judah and Jerusalem will be empowered for victory (Zech. 12:6-8; 14:14) and before the Lord brings about the destruction of the Gentile armies (12:9; 14:12-15), the Gentiles will at first obtain an initial but fleeting taste of victory in Jerusalem, including the typical characteristics of conquest described in verse 2. Either half of the population of Jerusalem will be left in the city (perhaps under occupational troops), or the Lord will return to destroy the enemies before their job is more than half completed.
Do you seriously think that these theologians are mixed up as well?
And did you bother to take my advice in post #10 in which I said the following...
'You might want to familarize yourself with the Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel's future. The Abrahamic, Palestinian, and Davidic covenants, and the New covenant to Israel all will be fulfilled when Christ returns to establish His Kingdom. Take a look at Jeremiah 31:31 for example. And Jeremiah 31:35-37 is God's promise to preserve Israel.'
Look at these two links regarding the Abrahamic and Palestinian covenants. They are promises to Israel and will be fulfilled when Christ returns and sets up His Kingdom.
Furthermore, not all the Jews will be in Israel during the Tribulation. When Christ returns, He will regather the Jews from around the world and bring them into the land.
While there will be a great deal of destruction to Jerusalem, there will be many Jewish believers who survive to the end of the Tribulation to go into the Millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies. And Israel will never again cease to exist as a nation.
Pandora, please read all of Zechariah chapter 14. It addresses the seize of Jerusalem by the Gentle armies, Christ's return to fight those armies, and Jerusalem's security in the Millennium.
Okay Mike,
will you believe what Jesus and even His Disciples said about Jerusalem?
~ "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the ONE who kills The Prophets and stones those sent to her!
How often I wanted to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,
but you were not willing!
SEE! Your House Is Left To You Desolate..."
~ "For it is written that Abram/Abraham had two sons:
The one by a Bondwoman.
The other by a Free Woman.
He who was born by the Bondwoman was born according to the flesh.
He who was born of the Freewoman Through Promise.
Which things are symbolic For These Are Two Covenants:
One from Mount Sinai which Gives Birth-To-Bondage which is Hagar-(Egypt).
For This Hagar Is Mt. Sinai In Abrabai, Corresponding To Jerusalem
which is now in Bondage with her Children.
But Jerusalem Above Is Free Which Is The Mother Of Us All....
...Now we brethern as Isaac was are children of Promise.
But as he (Ishmael) who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him (Isaac)
who was born according to The Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless, what does Scripture say? "Cast Out The Bondwoman and her son,
for the son of the Bondwoman (Jerusalem)
SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE Son 0f The Free Woman.
So then brethern we are not children of the Bondwoman (Jerusalem)
but of The Free Woman (New Jerusalem). - Gal.4:22-31
~ "Therefore Jesus also that He MIGHT Sanctify the people with His Own Blood
suffered Out Side The Gate.
Therefore Let Us Go Forth TO HIM OutSide The Camp Bearing His Reproach.
For Here We Have No Continuing City But We Seek The One To Come. (New Jerusalem).
Hebrews 13:12-14
~ There's No Scripture Which States Jesus Coming Back To Save Jerusalem Israel.
Rev.11:8 Jerusalem Is Spiritually Called Sodom & Egypt.
Rev.20:9 Now we see The Camp Of The Saints, The Beloved City.
Jesus doesn't come back to Save Jerusalem or Israel.
Jesus comes back to Regenerate
'The Beloved City' "IN THE REgeneration" (1,000 yr reign)- Matt.19:28 - Rev.20
Which means: (a) a being REnewed, REformed, or REconstituted (b) A Spiritual RE-Birth"
When The 12 Apostles Of The Lamb sit on 12 Thrones
judging The 12 Tribes of israel (144,000). - Matt.19:28 - Rev.20:4
"I appoint to you a Kingdom as My Father appointed to Me
that you may eat and drink at My table in My Kingdom.
And you shall sit on Thrones Judging The 12 Tribes of Israel." - Lk.22:30 [greek]
Okay Mike,
will you believe what Jesus and even His Disciples said about Jerusalem?
~ "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the ONE who kills The Prophets and stones those sent to her!
How often I wanted to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,
but you were not willing!
SEE! Your House Is Left To You Desolate..."
Pandora, this passage, Matthew 23:37-38 refers to the national discipline which was to come on Israel due to their rejection of Christ as the Messiah. It refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and the dispersion of the Jews which occurred in 70 A.D. Until the year 1948 there was no nation Israel. But there is since 1948 a nation or state of Israel. Many Jews are now back in the land in a state of unbelief. The Bible clearly shows that there will be a nation Israel during the Tribulation. In fact, it is the signing of a peace treaty with Israel by the beast - the antichrist, which begins the Tribulation as per Daniel 9:27. ''And he (the prince who is to come, the antichrist) will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week (3 1/2 years into the 7 year Tribulational period) he will put a stop to sacrifice and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction...''
There is as of 1948 an existing state of Israel which is in preparation for the Tribulation which is also called Daniel's 70th week.
Did you notice that Matthew 23:39 says, ''For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me UNTIL you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF HE LORD!'' This is what the Tribulation is designed to do. To open the eyes of the Jews so that they recognize that Jesus is the Messiah who they had rejected. At that time, Jesus will return and deliver the Jews.
Quote:
~ "For it is written that Abram/Abraham had two sons:
The one by a Bondwoman.
The other by a Free Woman.
He who was born by the Bondwoman was born according to the flesh.
He who was born of the Freewoman Through Promise.
Which things are symbolic For These Are Two Covenants:
One from Mount Sinai which Gives Birth-To-Bondage which is Hagar-(Egypt).
For This Hagar Is Mt. Sinai In Abrabai, Corresponding To Jerusalem
which is now in Bondage with her Children.
But Jerusalem Above Is Free Which Is The Mother Of Us All....
...Now we brethern as Isaac was are children of Promise.
But as he (Ishmael) who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him (Isaac)
who was born according to The Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless, what does Scripture say? "Cast Out The Bondwoman and her son,
for the son of the Bondwoman (Jerusalem)
SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE Son 0f The Free Woman.
So then brethern we are not children of the Bondwoman (Jerusalem)
but of The Free Woman (New Jerusalem). - Gal.4:22-31
~ "Therefore Jesus also that He MIGHT Sanctify the people with His Own Blood
suffered Out Side The Gate.
Therefore Let Us Go Forth TO HIM OutSide The Camp Bearing His Reproach.
For Here We Have No Continuing City But We Seek The One To Come. (New Jerusalem).
Hebrews 13:12-14
Pandora, none of the above passages have anything to do with the fact that at the end of the Tribulation Jesus will return and defeat the Gentile armies which are besieging Jerusalem.
Regarding Galatians 4:22-31, Literally, the son of the bond woman (Hagar) was Ismael from whom came the Arabs. The son of the free woman (Sarah) was Isaac who was the father of Jacob. The son of the bond woman persecutes the son of the free woman (note the ongoing tensions between Israel and the Muslims). Paul made a figurative or allegorical application of the two mothers (without denying the literal meaning of the story of Abraham) in order to compare the conflict between Judaism and Christianity. Between the Law and grace. Hagor stood for Jerusalem which was a city in slavery to the Law. Sarah however stood for the New Jerusalem, the mother of all the children of grace.
This has no application to the fact that Jesus when He returns will deliver the Jews.
Quote:
~ There's No Scripture Which States Jesus Coming Back To Save Jerusalem Israel.
Rev.11:8 Jerusalem Is Spiritually Called Sodom & Egypt.
Rev.20:9 Now we see The Camp Of The Saints, The Beloved City.
Jesus doesn't come back to Save Jerusalem or Israel.
Jesus comes back to Regenerate
'The Beloved City' "IN THE REgeneration" (1,000 yr reign)- Matt.19:28 - Rev.20
Which means: (a) a being REnewed, REformed, or REconstituted (b) A Spiritual RE-Birth"
When The 12 Apostles Of The Lamb sit on 12 Thrones
judging The 12 Tribes of israel (144,000). - Matt.19:28 - Rev.20:4
"I appoint to you a Kingdom as My Father appointed to Me
that you may eat and drink at My table in My Kingdom.
And you shall sit on Thrones Judging The 12 Tribes of Israel." - Lk.22:30 [greek]
Pandora, once again, Revelation 20:9 has nothing to do with the Tribulation. Rev. 20:9 refers to an event at the end of the Millennium a 1000 years after the Tribulation.
How can you say that there is no Scripture which says that Jesus is coming back to save the Jews when I have provided Scripture which says that He is? I pointed out to you Zechariah 14 which I will post Again. Please read it carefully.
Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle (God allows the Gentile armies to attack Jerusalem), and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
3] Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
4] In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.
5] You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
'Then the LORD, my God will come' refers to Jesus. 'And all the holy ones with Him' refers to what Revelation 19:14 describes as 'the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.'
Now look at Zechariah chapter 12 which also refers to the Tribulation. It does not refer to the Gog Magog war of Revelation 20:8-9 which takes place at the end of the Millennium.
2] "Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah.
3] "It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.
4] "In that day," declares the LORD, "I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness.
5] "Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, 'A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.'
6] "In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem.
7] "The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah.
8]"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.
9] "And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10] "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
11] "In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo.
12] The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves;
13] the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves;
14] all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.
Do you now understand that when Jesus returns He will physically deliver the Jews from being destroyed by the Gentile armies? Jewish (and Gentile) believers who have survived to the end of the Tribulation will then go into the Millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies. There has to be a physical deliverance of Israel so that there can be a spiritual deliverance.
I'm saying there's no scripture in The Revelation Of Jesus Christ
that says Jesus comes back and SAVES Them From It.
Second,
there is no reference in favor of any Jews in The Revelation 0f Jesus Christ either.
"The 144,000 Of All The Tribes Of Israel" are not the reference to Jews.
Jesus even says to The Churches: He Knows The Blasphemy Of Those
Who Say They Are Jews and Are Not But Are A Synagogue 0f Satan. - Rev.Rev.2:9
All I ask is that you show me scripture of Jesus defending or delivering
Jerusalem or Israel in The Revelation Of Jesus Christ 1-19.
If there are none? Then most the scriptures you believe are in another timeline.
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