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Go back to post #61 where it has already been spelled out, actually read what I wrote about Jude 1:6-7, and exercise that reading comprehension. The grammatical rules demand that the nearest antecedent to which 'toutois' in verse 7 can refer is 'angels' in verse 6.
I read what you wrote
I just don't agree that you have interpreted the Bible accurately at all.
I just don't agree that you have interpreted the Bible accurately at all.
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Originally Posted by lovesMountains
It appears as though you do not understand the definition of "procreate".
Here it is for your edification
Definition of PROCREATE from Merriam Websters:
transitive verb
: to beget or bring forth (offspring) : propagate
intransitive verb
: to beget or bring forth offspring : reproduce
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Originally Posted by Mike555
I understand the definition of procreation just fine. That's why I said that angels are not born and that their number has been steady since their initial creation before God created the earth.
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Originally Posted by lovesMountains
An ability to "procreate" is not about being born
The ability to procreate, which angels do not have, is about causing someone else to be born.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
If you will exercise a bit of reading comprehension you will see that that is what I am talking about. Since angels don't procreate, there are no more angels in existence now then when they were originally created.
However, that does not mean that when they assume human form and appearance that they can't have sexual intercourse with a human female and cause her to become pregnant.
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Originally Posted by lovesMountains
My reading comprehension is fine
There are no more angels now because God hasn't created anymore.
And please tell me where in Jude 1:6-7 it says angels "went after strange flesh"?? Good grief. Jude was writing to Jewish Christians to warn them against believing false teachings/false teachers and about what happens to those who rebel against God.
Jude 1:6-7
New International Version (NIV)
6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Jude 1:6-7
English Standard Version (ESV)
6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[a] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Mike, do you think the so called angels are homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual?
It's the 'Messengers of God' in human form that did not maintain their status:
"In the days of old, they took many wives and concubines; indulging in various immoral acts."
Just asked Bathsheba and her dead husband?
And while you are contemplating:
It is apparently NOT very straightforward if you believe the Nephilim could have sex or procreate.
It's fairly standard fare in mythology, the only part that is mildly surprising is that there seems to be no tradition of the exploits of these "heroes of old" as in Greek, Norse and pretty much any other mythology that talks about the mating of "gods" and humans.
It's fairly standard fare in mythology, the only part that is mildly surprising is that there seems to be no tradition of the exploits of these "heroes of old" as in Greek, Norse and pretty much any other mythology that talks about the mating of "gods" and humans.
Sure I agree, this is "fairly standard fare in mythology".
But we are talking about the Bible and God's angels - who were not able to procreate
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I know he does, bless his heart.
