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Old 11-29-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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Which Bible version(s) is correct?

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
οὐδὲ ἐροῦσιν, Ἰδοὺ ὧδε, ἤ, Ἰδοὺ ἐκεῖ. Ἰδοὺ γάρ, ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστίν.

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New International Version
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

New Living Translation
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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How do you see it making a difference if what we are talking about is obviously not a political "kingdom?"
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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They are all correct.some are better than the rest, but they are all "correct"
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:54 AM
 
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See in the tabernacle in the wilderness from the calling of Moses , God had His kingdom there and later King Solomon built the Temple in Jerusalem , and people would say look God is in Jerusalem in His Temple ,...............And later the armies came in a tore down the Temple in Jerusalem and the dwelling place in the Ark of the Covenant was lost ....Then Herod Temple was built on the Solomon Temple site , and God came and had a far less limited dwelling place in this place as faith in the Temple rites which God had set up previous had being lost and faith was reduced ................. Then later after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ , the day of Pentecost came and dwelling place of God became the believers of Lord Jesus Christ who were anointed by being Born again and receiving God Spirit , which would be with in these people through the Spirit , and not the brick and mortar which held up the old Temple in Jerusalem .............., but now they would be held up with faith in God on the believer who could go to the ends of the earth and God would spread him self over the earth instead of only in Jerusalem
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Old 11-30-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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If you have not noticed that heaven and hell are a state of being, they are. Your life will reflect your actions. If you live a life of torment always under fire, never any rest you are not living RIGHT and are living in HELL where all those of a dog eat dog beastly nature live, totally under the curse with NO BLESSINGS.
If you have overcome the lusts of your flesh and are walking UPRIGHT allowing Christ to be the LIGHT OF YOUR PATH, then you can ask what you will and God will make your life SMOOTH AND GREEN WITH COOL WATERS, NEVER IN LACK, NEVER IN HARMS WAY BUT IN PERFECT PEACE.

Jesus went into hell for 3 days. But it may surprise you when he actually entered hell. It was not after his death. It was the evening that he was betrayed by one of his own people and put in the hands of CARNAL MAN. He had not experienced anything like it up until that time.

He was ROASTED as our Passover Lamb as he was mocked, spat on, flesh torn, forehead pierced, hands and feet pierced, and every imaginable thing that HELLISH BEASTS can do to one another.
He was in hell for 3 nights and 3 days. On the Jewish day begins at EVE or SUNDOWN. So beginning on Wednesday SUNDOWN in the garden of Gethsemane which was actually Thursday Eve 1 then Thursday Day 1, Thursday SUNDOWN was Friday Eve 2 then Friday Day 2 (PREPERATION DAY), Friday SUNDOWN was Saturday Eve 3 then Saturday Day 3. Jesus arose from his tomb at the end of the third DAY which was just before Saturday SUNDOWN being the DAWN OF A NEW DAY BEING THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK SUNDAY EVE and stood in the midst of the disciples.
Mary would have came to the tomb to anoint the body at Friday Sundown which was Saturday Eve but it was the Sabbath and she had to wait till THE END OF THE SABBATH which was Saturday about SUNDOWN which he had already arose. She would not have waited till Sunday morning when the Sabbath had ended just before sundown which would have been another 12 hours later.
Jesus stood in the midst of the disciples on Saturday EVE which is still the 7th day on our calendar until midnight, yet was considered the dawn of A NEW DAY, being the FIRST DAY of the week. So Jesus who is our 7TH DAY REST being the Sabbath arose on THE 7TH DAY NOT THE 8TH.
John 20:16-19
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV

When it says the first day, it does not mean the first daylight, it means the beginning of the first day of THE WEEK being Saturday Eve!
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Old 11-30-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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Seems like several slight variations in saying, "Don't look for the Kingdom to come; it is already with you." What did you have in mind?

Translations are made necessary by a Bible that transcends both time and cultures. There is not really a 'corrective' element in translations, except in some instances where margin notes were thought to either be or not to be part of the text.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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Which Bible version(s) is correct?

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
οὐδὲ ἐροῦσιν, Ἰδοὺ ὧδε, ἤ, Ἰδοὺ ἐκεῖ. Ἰδοὺ γάρ, ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστίν.

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New International Version
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

New Living Translation
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
Since he was talking to unbelieving Pharisees, it wasn't "within" them, he was in their midst, not something in the heart, but a literal Kingdom and the King was standing right there.

ENTOS : a position within an area determined by other objects and distributed among such objects - 'among, with.' ;date 'among you stands one you do not know' Jn 1.26; 'gather the evil from among the good' Mt 13.49;'in your midst'
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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Which Bible version(s) is correct?
RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
οὐδὲ ἐροῦσιν, Ἰδοὺ ὧδε, ἤ, Ἰδοὺ ἐκεῖ. Ἰδοὺ γάρ, ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστίν.
King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
New International Version
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."
New Living Translation
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."
English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
First of all, please back up one verse to Luke 17 v 20 because Jesus is addressing the: Pharisees.
Jesus is talking to the Pharisees in verses 20 and 21 that the kingdom [ Daniel 2 v 44 ] would not come with any striking or flashing observableness. - 1st Thess. 5 vs 2,3

It is Not until after Jesus concludes what he said to the Pharisees. then Jesus next addresses his disciples in verse 22.

So, could there be any way that the thousand-year kingdom of God could be within the Pharisees, or rather that Jesus, as king designate, was in their midst, among them, within their grasp ?

Jesus made sure his disciples understood him at Luke 19 vs 11-5 where Jesus, as the nobleman, must first go away to a far country [ heaven ] before returning in kingdom glory at the ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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Since he was talking to unbelieving Pharisees, it wasn't "within" them, he was in their midst, not something in the heart, but a literal Kingdom and the King was standing right there.
ENTOS : a position within an area determined by other objects and distributed among such objects - 'among, with.' ;date 'among you stands one you do not know' Jn 1.26; 'gather the evil from among the good' Mt 13.49;'in your midst'
Interesting post ^ above ^. I noticed before Matthew chapter 13 at Matthew 12 v 24 the Pharisees are also mentioned there. Any thoughts about Matthew 12 vs 24 to 28 because the kingdom is also mentioned there ?
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