would it still be Heaven to you if none of the people you loved on Earth weren't there? (lukewarm, scripture)
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No, not really, I don't want to be there if my loved ones aren't.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Then get busy telling them about salvation in Christ!
Because telling them is a guarantee they are going to believe it? Nope. And what about the loved ones who've already passed who didn't believe so, according to you, have no chance of "being in heaven"?
Your pat answer doesn't respond on any meaningful level to Zero's sentiment.
Because telling them is a guarantee they are going to believe it? Nope. And what about the loved ones who've already passed who didn't believe so, according to you, have no chance of "being in heaven"?
Your pat answer doesn't respond on any meaningful level to Zero's sentiment.
You're correct. It does not guarantee it. That begs the question. What part does Christ play in all this? Do you desire to be with Him?
No, not really, I don't want to be there if my loved ones aren't.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Then get busy telling them about salvation in Christ!
This is what I do not understand about this . . . you know that it is the Father who calls. It is not anything of our own volition. We will believe when we believe. We cannot choose to believe. That would be deceiving ourselves. Our witness can only provide an example to others and assurance of the Good News that we are no longer separated from God thanks to Jesus. We can encourage them to try to "love God and each other" daily and repent when they don't. But the believing will happen when the Father calls. I was atheist for 30+ years. I made no choice to believe. It was thrust upon me in an instant without any volition on my part whatsoever.
SO . . . if it is the Father who calls . . . why would our loved ones not be called and punished for it???
This is what I do not understand about this . . . you know that it is the Father who calls. It is not anything of our own volition. We will believe when we believe. We cannot choose to believe. That would be deceiving ourselves. Our witness can only provide an example to others and assurance of the Good News that we are no longer separated from God thanks to Jesus. We can encourage them to try to "love God and each other" daily and repent when they don't. But the believing will happen when the Father calls. I was atheist for 30+ years. I made no choice to believe. It was thrust upon me in an instant without any volition on my part whatsoever.
SO . . . if it is the Father who calls . . . why would our loved ones not be called and punished for it???
(13) For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.” (14) But how can they call on Him to save them unless they believe in Him? And how can they believe in Him if they have never heard about Him? And how can they hear about Him unless someone tells them? --- Romans 10:13-14 (NLT)
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again**, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Don't you long to see our Savior face to face?
This passage that you've quoted doesn't say anything about seeing Christ "face to face" in a physical sense. Personally, I believe this passage speaks to the spiritual reality of Christ (who was, is and will be) arising in each person.
**erchomai
metaph.
to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence
(13) For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.” (14) But how can they call on Him to save them unless they believe in Him? And how can they believe in Him if they have never heard about Him? And how can they hear about Him unless someone tells them? --- Romans 10:13-14 (NLT)
Actions speak louder than words.
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