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View Poll Results: Should the BIBLE be the only standard for truth?
YES 20 28.99%
NO 49 71.01%
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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Truth by itself can do nothing. It must be applied. Unapplied truth is like a lamp without oil, but applied truth is a lamp whose oil never runs low

Neville Goddard
Dear p,
The lamp oil of the virgins is representative of the Spirit of God, which gives understanding, and discernment. The application of the Truth, is simply called Faith. Five of the virgins didn't even know that they didn't have the oil until they tried to get into the weddng feast. (Mt 25) The bible contains the seeds of both the tares and the good wheat.(Mt 13) It was not until the "end of the age" that the tares would be removed. (Mt 13:40)

Insight and understanding comes from the Spirit of God, and comes by following the example of Daniel 9:3-22, which include fasting, prayer, confession, and keeping God's commandments. The prayer of the unrighteous is an abomination to God (Proverbs 28:9). One first needs to repent.

Proverbs 28:9 ESV
If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.

Proverbs 15:29 ESV
The Lord is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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Men have confused the issue and conflated specific "precepts and doctrines of men" that divide the faithful . . . AS IF those "precepts and doctrines of men" matter one whit. They do NOT! There IS ONE Truth and that truth is Christ, period . . . NOT what you believe ABOUT Him! He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. The ONLY truth we need is to follow His instructions to His disciples to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't. EVERYTHING else that divides His followers is human vanity and hubris!
Is there such a thing as true doctrine? Or false doctrine?

Or does the Holy Spirit lead Baptists to one set of doctrines while He leads the Lutheran to a different (and possibly contradictory) set?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Men have confused the issue and conflated specific "precepts and doctrines of men" that divide the faithful . . . AS IF those "precepts and doctrines of men" matter one whit. They do NOT! There IS ONE Truth and that truth is Christ, period . . . NOT what you believe ABOUT Him! He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. The ONLY truth we need is to follow His instructions to His disciples to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't. EVERYTHING else that divides His followers is human vanity and hubris!
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Is there such a thing as true doctrine? Or false doctrine?
Or does the Holy Spirit lead Baptists to one set of doctrines while He leads the Lutheran to a different (and possibly contradictory) set?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
All the sets of religious "doctrines" are man-made and have nothing to do with Christ's doctrine of love and reconciliation. His Gospel is that God IS agape love and that we are to aspire to become as "perfect" (=mature) . . . in agape love as Jesus demonstrated is humanly possible . . . IF we practice loving God and each other daily and repenting when we don't. It is a process over our lifetime . . . NOT a magical event of professed belief in . . . "whatever."
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Is there such a thing as true doctrine? Or false doctrine?

Or does the Holy Spirit lead Baptists to one set of doctrines while He leads the Lutheran to a different (and possibly contradictory) set?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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All the sets of religious "doctrines" are man-made and have nothing to do with Christ's doctrine of love and reconciliation. His Gospel is that God IS agape love and that we are to aspire to become as "perfect" (=mature) . . . in agape love as Jesus demonstrated is humanly possible . . . IF we practice loving God and each other daily and repenting when we don't. It is a process over our lifetime . . . NOT a magical event of professed belief in . . . "whatever."
The problem with Mystic's (man-made) doctrine is that it doesn't match up with Jesus' doctrine 100%. While it is true that Jesus came to show God's love for humanity, He also spoke of God's impending wrath and judgement upon the unrighteous. John 3 is a good example.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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All the sets of religious "doctrines" are man-made and have nothing to do with Christ's doctrine of love and reconciliation. His Gospel is that God IS agape love and that we are to aspire to become as "perfect" (=mature) . . . in agape love as Jesus demonstrated is humanly possible . . . IF we practice loving God and each other daily and repenting when we don't. It is a process over our lifetime . . . NOT a magical event of professed belief in . . . "whatever."
Doctrine is simply the belief about a particular aspect of faith.

So, in your opinion, are there some beliefs about Christianity that are true while others are false?

Perhaps this will help:

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Baptists believe that infants should not be baptized.

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Lutherans believe that infants should not be baptized.

These two positions are mutually exclusive and contradictory, yet both groups claim to be rightly dividing the Word of God and to be led by the Spirit into all truth.

Is one group wrong? Or does the Holy Spirit have a "Baptist truth" and a "Lutheran truth" for occasions such as this?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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Doctrine is simply the belief about a particular aspect of faith.

So, in your opinion, are there some beliefs about Christianity that are true while others are false?

Perhaps this will help:

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Baptists believe that infants should not be baptized.

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Lutherans believe that infants should not be baptized.

These two positions are mutually exclusive and contradictory, yet both groups claim to be rightly dividing the Word of God and to be led by the Spirit into all truth.

Is one group wrong? Or does the Holy Spirit have a "Baptist truth" and a "Lutheran truth" for occasions such as this?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
I think you got that wrong! You claim both Baptist and Lutherans believe infants should not be baptized they you call them contradictory.
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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I think you got that wrong! You claim both Baptist and Lutherans believe infants should not be baptized they you call them contradictory.


Thanks for the catch, and sorry for the typo. The post should read:
Doctrine is simply the belief about a particular aspect of faith.

So, in your opinion, are there some beliefs about Christianity that are true while others are false?

Perhaps this will help:

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Baptists believe that infants should not be baptized.

Based upon their prayerful reading of God's Word, Lutherans believe that infants should be baptized.

These two positions are mutually exclusive and contradictory, yet both groups claim to be rightly dividing the Word of God and to be led by the Spirit into all truth.

Is one group wrong? Or does the Holy Spirit have a "Baptist truth" and a "Lutheran truth" for occasions such as this?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: southern california
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No but focus is important and most people without strong religious standards don't have any standards
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The question to be asked is whether a particular doctrine is essential to following Christ or whether it is vain controversy. "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge"
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Diocese of Raleigh
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The question to be asked is whether a particular doctrine is essential to following Christ or whether it is vain controversy. "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge"
Then we get to argue about what is and is not essential and who gets to make that decision.
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