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So you have fallen for a "translation" made by one man that matches his theology over translations made by large groups of people from differing theological backgrounds working together. That should be your first red flag.
As for Mr. Knoch, he took the ultradispensationalism of Bullinger and later Welch of London and became even more extreme. Knoch invented 4 dispensations between Christ and Paul's prison ministry.
So I guess I should say you have "fallen" for a translation that has mistranslated many words. LOL. That should be your first red flag if you are honestly seeking the truth. That was the first red flag for me.
Its hard to argue the Concordant is wrong on this as it simply transliterates aion into eon so the reader can see the original intention. It is very transparent. You can go look up the greek yourself if you wish.
But to do so is in error for the word can and does have more than one meaning depending on context, etc. That is one thing that makes the Concordant a worthless work.
I completely disagree - that is what makes the Concordant so valuable - it removes the bias of the translators in the KJV and other versions. As I said it makes it more transparent. That is a good thing.
Why would it be worthless to be able to easily see what the original greek phrasing and structure is?
There are cases where the greek uses aion in singular, aion in plural, talks about an aion (singular) out of the aions, or talks about aions (plural) out of the aions.
You would think these details might have some significance, but in the KJV these all get lumped into one translation "eternity" or other obscure references about "end of the world".
However this is all easy to see when you examine the Concordant literal, and you realize the KJV is not telling the whole story.
I completely disagree - that is what makes the Concordant so valuable - it removes the bias of the translators in the KJV and other versions. As I said it makes it more transparent. That is a good thing.
Why would it be worthless to be able to easily see what the original greek phrasing and structure is?
The KJV has also in at least one place completely ignored the words, into the age or ages making it seem that those who blasphemed the spirit would NEVER have forgiveness when the scriptures didn't say that......it said that sin would not be forgiven TO THE AGES or in This age and the Next. There can not be an eternal age.......that is a contradiction of terms.
It also translated aion many times as world.........as in end of the WORLD when that was not meant at all, it means end of an age. Greek has an entirely different word for world whether it means the physical globe we live on or the system/arrangement of government and that word is kosmos yet the KJV WILL NOT CORRECT that mistranslation, letting millions think that the world is going to end up being destroyed when in contrast to that the world will be transformed into a beautiful paradise.
Also with olam which is the Hebrew for an unknown duration of time. The KJV translators keep translating it as forever even referring to the time of Jonah's stay in the fish's stomach, the duration of the temple, the sacrificial ordinances.......did God not know that some day all that would end? He knew quite well that there would not be a priestly sturcture forever made of the line of Aaron's son Levi.....but that the new priesthood would be after that of Melchizadek, headed by Jesus who was of the line of Judah. And did God not know that the physical temple would be destroyed by Babylon and then Rome? Whether it will ever be built again is not pertinent as we now have a temple not made by hands from stones. No, olam merely meant for a time, until God's plan for that particular person, place, or event was fulfilled.
Yes, those 5 parables are telling the Scribes and Pharisees that they are not special, that God cares about the very last lamb that had gone astray. Scriptures also tell us that Jesus spoke ONLY in parables to the masses. The first 3 were telling the crowd that God cares and searches for the WHOLE flock until he finds the very least.......then he tells a very confusing story about the steward who was fired and then all of a sudden people think that he switched from parables and tells a literal story about a wealthy man who went to hell merely because he did not feed a poor beggar.....there is nothing that indicated he did anything else wrong.....how many homeless and hungry have we seen in our city and walked on by?......and for that he goes to a place of extreme misery, but as someone else said, not only is he suffering but he can see others in comfort......is God really that sadistic? We have simply been so indoctrinated for so long that we cannot see how ridiculous that is........why did the fact that Lazarus was a beggar allow him into Abraham's bosom? There is nothing to indicate he was a devout, God'fearing man. Think about that. No, Jesus was telling the tide was about to change IN THIS SECULAR WORLD and Israel was soon going to be thrown into the fiery trials of tribulation and see the blessings bestowed upon the gentiles, the very ones most Jews considered dogs barely fit to receive the crumbs the Jews threw them. That is what infuriated the Pharisees so much......they took little actual heed to the spiritual things Jesus said, but they wanted to find a reason to kill him because he insulted their position and supposed superiority in leading the people.
God will have all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, in HIS timing...........first the firstfruits, then the majority, and finally the corners left for gleaning......God wastes nothing.....I believe the Bible is the story of how God is creating sons...........a whole family of sons..........The first few verses tell us a brief version.......a prophetic look off how ihis entire creation will be perfect,not just part of it,but it is not so yet. Immediately after that He begins a more detailed account........and tho there is much left in between the last historical accounts and Paul's vision of God being all in all......it is a promise that God finishes what He begins and finishes it PERFECTLY. There were no mistakes, no oversite........one of His creation did not malfunction and then throw a monkeywrench into His plans for the rest of creation....we have put our own will above God's will and that is foolishness. NOTHING in heaven or earth can thwart God's will in the long run..........it may SEEM that is the case during the eons, but that is part of the process He instituted till ALL is in conformity with His will and if in the vast stretch of eternity He cannot open the flawed and blind minds of every creature on heaven and earth to finally see how good and beautiful was the plan of God from the beginning and how His glory will flood the universe all the more because of His loving-kindness and patience even toward those who were once His enemies, those he created originally to be vessels of wrath but will remake into vessels of honor....well I have faith in a God who can and will do this.........no matter how long it seems to us frail mortals. I praise Him who opened my eyes just a fraction to see this tiny glimpse of His plan for man.
Holy, holy holy, Lord God Almighty. who was, is, and is to come and will be ALL in ALL and every knee will bow and PRAISE Him.
So I guess I should say you have "fallen" for a translation that has mistranslated many words. LOL. That should be your first red flag if you are honestly seeking the truth. That was the first red flag for me.
Its hard to argue the Concordant is wrong on this as it simply transliterates aion into eon so the reader can see the original intention. It is very transparent. You can go look up the greek yourself if you wish.
It is not an accurate translation for he ignores the meanings of the words and add's what he want's it to mean.
Remember he found 4 dispensations between Christ and Paul's Prison ministry. He got a lot wrong.
kai apeleusontai outoi eiV kolasin aiwnion, oi de dikaioi eiV xwhn aiwnion
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
OK! Let's just post facts for a while so some can come to understand and other will not be confused.
AIÔNIOS (166)
Without end (BAGD)
Without end, never to cease, everlasting (Thayer)
Eternal (TDNT, Louw & Nida)
In the vernacular as in the classical Greek (see Grimm-Thayer), it never loses the sense of perpetuus (Moulton & Milligan)
Vine suggests that AIÔNIOS may mean either eternal or "duration...undefined but not endless." However, the verses he cites in support of the latter definition (Romans 16:25; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2) all refer to past time, not the future. BAGD and Thayer both define AIÔNIOS in these verses as "without beginning."
Vine assigns the "eternal" meaning to AIÔNIOS in Matthew 25:46 - no doubt because whenever AIÔNIOS is combined with ZÔÊ ("life") in the Greek New Testament, it always means "eternal." Thus, if the second occurrence of AIÔNIOS in this verse means "eternal," it seems reasonable to accept the same meaning in the first usage, particularly given the parallel construction.
Now lets look at how various groups of people who understand the biblical language and how to correctly translate it see this. We already know what the group who worked on the KJV chose to render it.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
New International Version (NIV)
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
American Standard Version (ASV)
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Mattityahu 25:46
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
46 And these will go away into Onesh Olam (Eternal Punishment), but the tzaddikim into Chayyei Olam (Eternal Life).
Matthew 25:46
Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE)
46
And
kai
these
houtos
will
depart
aperchomai
to
eis
eternal
aiōnios
punishment
kolasis
,
but
de
the
ho
righteous
dikaios
to
eis
eternal
aiōnios
life
zōē
.”
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Even if it is not the sun, the sun is an example of a lake of fire. Some think such a thing is not possible even with one shinning over their head every day.
Even if it is not the sun, the sun is an example of a lake of fire. Some think such a thing is not possible even with one shinning over their head every day.
But the Bible's definition of the lake of fire is defined at Rev. 20 vs 13,14 as ' second death '.
Our sun would Not be an example of any death.
In death there is No fire: just sleep.
The day Jesus died Jesus did Not go to fire.- Acts 2 vs 27,31,32
At his death Jesus was in a sleep-like state as Jesus described at John 11 vs 11-14
Sleeping condition as mentioned at: Ecclesiastes 9 v 5; Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4; Daniel 12 vs 2,13
' Second death ', unlike Adamic death that we inherited from father Adam, would mean No resurrection from second death.
- Rev. 21 v 8
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