Forget the Rapture & Tribulation; Here's What You Should Really Be Worrying About (hell, churches)
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Dogmatists and prophecy watchers should put aside their concerns about whether Ukraine is going to lead to the rapture and the antichrist and the tribulation and all that other guff. Here's the REAL problems facing our planet:
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Antarctic Ice Shelf On Brink Of Unstoppable Melt That Could Raise Sea Levels For 10,000 Years
OSLO, May 4 (Reuters) - Part of East Antarctica is more vulnerable than expected to a thaw that could trigger an unstoppable slide of ice into the ocean and raise world sea levels for thousands of years, a study showed on Sunday.
We're talking a rise in sea level of a minimum of 10 feet, folks. Sometimes we cannot see the forest for the trees. This is a "real" disaster facing civilization. God may work in mysterious ways, but the headline suggests that the earth might indeed be destroyed once again by a flood. So where is the "promise" He made to Noah? Maybe nowhere, because God never made such a promise because Noah and the flood never happened. The latest discoveries on what is happening with our crazy world climate would seem to bear this out.
Naturally, the rapturites will say that I am the one that's delusional. Fair enough, but from the looks of the headlines one of us certainly is.
Those who do not know Christ do not have the promise of peace for the future. For them, there is a real concern because they have not settled the issue of where they will spend eternity. Those who do know Christ do not fear the end of days. Instead, we strive to live a life worthy of our calling, live with confidence, suffer patiently, anticipate Jesus’ return, and rest in the knowledge that our times are in His hands (Psalm 31:15).
arguy, I know plenty of Christians who struggle with peace every minute of their lives and I know atheists who sleep like a log all night long. Christians do NOT have a patent on peace in their lives simply because they believe they are "saved".
Christians will be swimming in the same flood waters as the non-Christians. We are in this thing together and climate doesn't grant favors to Christians simply because they believe they've got the truth of God on their side.
These climate events are accelerating and it's only a few decades down the road before everything comes crashing down on civilization. If you want to believe the rapture will pull you and your buds out of here before that and it gives you peace believing that, well and dandy. But the rest of us who are actually down to earth know that the climatologists are saying:
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Since a nuclear weapon went off over Hiroshima, we have been living with visions of global catastrophe, apocalyptic end times, and extinction that were once the sole property of religion. Since August 6, 1945, it has been possible for us to imagine how human beings, not God, could put an end to our lives on this planet. In more recent decades, a second world-ending (or at least world-as-we-know-it ending) possibility has crept into human consciousness.
Don't hope for God to magically step in and suddenly time warp the earth back to 1900 when everything was stable because He just isn't going to do it, anymore than He's going to warp a couple dozen Christians out of here when things get really rough.
arguy, I know plenty of Christians who struggle with peace every minute of their lives and I know atheists who sleep like a log all night long. Christians do NOT have a patent on peace in their lives simply because they believe they are "saved".
Christians will be swimming in the same flood waters as the non-Christians. We are in this thing together and climate doesn't grant favors to Christians simply because they believe they've got the truth of God on their side.
These climate events are accelerating and it's only a few decades down the road before everything comes crashing down on civilization. If you want to believe the rapture will pull you and your buds out of here before that and it gives you peace believing that, well and dandy. But the rest of us who are actually down to earth know that the climatologists are saying:
Don't hope for God to magically step in and suddenly time warp the earth back to 1900 when everything was stable because He just isn't going to do it, anymore than He's going to warp a couple dozen Christians out of here when things get really rough.
Hey, think of the real estate boom for those living in the Appalachians! The smart red-necks should go out and buy some vacant land! The others will be upset because of the invasion. All those east coasters will obviously have to move to higher ground, right? It shouldn't affect the west coast much though. The Gulf will be "engulfed".
Seriously, though, if you really are concerned about losing your coastal home , wouldn't you be thinking of making a move now, rather than waiting for the flood? We can't do a thing about melting ice. It's going to happen, and at a greater rate as time goes on. Folks won't believe this, nor will they move away until the waves are lapping up on their patio doors. As long as they can drive to work, come home, have a beer, and watch the tube, things are fine.
One thing that bothers me though, is that once it becomes an obvious reality, people will think of ways to profit on other people's misfortune, and possibly even governments will get involved to the point where individual choices on where to relocate may be impossible, especially for the poor and those that don't quite have the means to move. It's not like anyone will be able to sell their homes and use that money to buy a new place on high ground. This will create an economic nightmare that no government will be able to override.
I realize, Thrill, that you don't believe the Bible to be relevant, but it does say that God is going to destroy those that destroy the earth. I'm not speaking that He will send them to hell, but that He will destroy the greed and sin in them that drives them to ignore that fact that the earth was made for all of us, and we need to take care of it for others. The world is not going to end; it will go on, but God also said that He will have to shorten the days, lest no one be saved. I believe that He will intervene, (but not in exactly the way that most end-timers think), but not until the residents of this earth realize the hurt and damage that has been done. The oil companies, and almost all humans for that matter, place profit above everything else, when they could be joining in the quest for clean energy. If they don't get on the bandwagon of this quest, since they are the largest promoters of the use of carbon, we may find ourselves in an emergency situation of astounding proportions. And speaking of pollution; don't forget what is going on in Japan and throughout the world with nuke power. This is an unprofitable business, and it would be in the red if it were not for the fact that it is needed to make weapons.
Dogmatists and prophecy watchers should put aside their concerns about whether Ukraine is going to lead to the rapture and the antichrist and the tribulation and all that other guff. Here's the REAL problems facing our planet:
We're talking a rise in sea level of a minimum of 10 feet, folks. Sometimes we cannot see the forest for the trees. This is a "real" disaster facing civilization. God may work in mysterious ways, but the headline suggests that the earth might indeed be destroyed once again by a flood. So where is the "promise" He made to Noah? Maybe nowhere, because God never made such a promise because Noah and the flood never happened. The latest discoveries on what is happening with our crazy world climate would seem to bear this out.
Naturally, the rapturites will say that I am the one that's delusional. Fair enough, but from the looks of the headlines one of us certainly is.
Well I am not too worried, it says destroy,ruining or destroying, not ruined or destroyed, so ...
KJV Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Hey, think of the real estate boom for those living in the Appalachians! The smart red-necks should go out and buy some vacant land! The others will be upset because of the invasion. All those east coasters will obviously have to move to higher ground, right? It shouldn't affect the west coast much though. The Gulf will be "engulfed".
Seriously, though, if you really are concerned about losing your coastal home , wouldn't you be thinking of making a move now, rather than waiting for the flood? We can't do a thing about melting ice. It's going to happen, and at a greater rate as time goes on. Folks won't believe this, nor will they move away until the waves are lapping up on their patio doors. As long as they can drive to work, come home, have a beer, and watch the tube, things are fine.
One thing that bothers me though, is that once it becomes an obvious reality, people will think of ways to profit on other people's misfortune, and possibly even governments will get involved to the point where individual choices on where to relocate may be impossible, especially for the poor and those that don't quite have the means to move. It's not like anyone will be able to sell their homes and use that money to buy a new place on high ground. This will create an economic nightmare that no government will be able to override.
I realize, Thrill, that you don't believe the Bible to be relevant, but it does say that God is going to destroy those that destroy the earth. I'm not speaking that He will send them to hell, but that He will destroy the greed and sin in them that drives them to ignore that fact that the earth was made for all of us, and we need to take care of it for others. The world is not going to end; it will go on, but God also said that He will have to shorten the days, lest no one be saved. I believe that He will intervene, (but not in exactly the way that most end-timers think), but not until the residents of this earth realize the hurt and damage that has been done. The oil companies, and almost all humans for that matter, place profit above everything else, when they could be joining in the quest for clean energy. If they don't get on the bandwagon of this quest, since they are the largest promoters of the use of carbon, we may find ourselves in an emergency situation of astounding proportions. And speaking of pollution; don't forget what is going on in Japan and throughout the world with nuke power. This is an unprofitable business, and it would be in the red if it were not for the fact that it is needed to make weapons.
Hey, think of the real estate boom for those living in the Appalachians! The smart red-necks should go out and buy some vacant land! The others will be upset because of the invasion. All those east coasters will obviously have to move to higher ground, right? It shouldn't affect the west coast much though. The Gulf will be "engulfed".
Seriously, though, if you really are concerned about losing your coastal home , wouldn't you be thinking of making a move now, rather than waiting for the flood? We can't do a thing about melting ice. It's going to happen, and at a greater rate as time goes on. Folks won't believe this, nor will they move away until the waves are lapping up on their patio doors. As long as they can drive to work, come home, have a beer, and watch the tube, things are fine.
One thing that bothers me though, is that once it becomes an obvious reality, people will think of ways to profit on other people's misfortune, and possibly even governments will get involved to the point where individual choices on where to relocate may be impossible, especially for the poor and those that don't quite have the means to move. It's not like anyone will be able to sell their homes and use that money to buy a new place on high ground. This will create an economic nightmare that no government will be able to override.
I realize, Thrill, that you don't believe the Bible to be relevant, but it does say that God is going to destroy those that destroy the earth. I'm not speaking that He will send them to hell, but that He will destroy the greed and sin in them that drives them to ignore that fact that the earth was made for all of us, and we need to take care of it for others. The world is not going to end; it will go on, but God also said that He will have to shorten the days, lest no one be saved. I believe that He will intervene, (but not in exactly the way that most end-timers think), but not until the residents of this earth realize the hurt and damage that has been done. The oil companies, and almost all humans for that matter, place profit above everything else, when they could be joining in the quest for clean energy. If they don't get on the bandwagon of this quest, since they are the largest promoters of the use of carbon, we may find ourselves in an emergency situation of astounding proportions. And speaking of pollution; don't forget what is going on in Japan and throughout the world with nuke power. This is an unprofitable business, and it would be in the red if it were not for the fact that it is needed to make weapons.
Ah! Finally, a sensible answer I can deal with. Thank you, trumpet.
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Hey, think of the real estate boom for those living in the Appalachians! The smart red-necks should go out and buy some vacant land! The others will be upset because of the invasion. All those east coasters will obviously have to move to higher ground, right? It shouldn't affect the west coast much though. The Gulf will be "engulfed".
Seriously, though, if you really are concerned about losing your coastal home , wouldn't you be thinking of making a move now, rather than waiting for the flood? We can't do a thing about melting ice. It's going to happen, and at a greater rate as time goes on. Folks won't believe this, nor will they move away until the waves are lapping up on their patio doors. As long as they can drive to work, come home, have a beer, and watch the tube, things are fine.
If only the people in Appalachia had the wherewithal to make such a move. But they're too busy staring up at the sky along with everyone else who believes in a literal fulfillment of all this to be staring at what happening right in front of them.
Myself, I do live near the coast about 20 miles inland so I won't be affected. But half the world's population or some similar statistic lives within an area that will be devastated by this sudden rise in ocean level.
Populations will always move inland to escape the devastation, but it's the economic impact on the world that will start the ball rolling. The rising water is one catastrophe. The rising temps that will bring famine, insect infestation, and extreme bouts of life-threatening heat waves is yet another.
We are talking about a man-made condition compounding a natural-occurring rise in temperatures that happens about once every 5 million years or so. The sight for humans won't be pleasant. A population of 8 billion or so pared down to 500 million. Then we start all over again, an Adam and Eve scenario, to give the population time to rebuild and natural resources time to replenish themselves. This is a more realistic approach to interpreting end time events in the Bible than all the rapture, antichrist and tribulation and stars falling from the sky stuff that rapturites believe.
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I realize, Thrill, that you don't believe the Bible to be relevant, but it does say that God is going to destroy those that destroy the earth. I'm not speaking that He will send them to hell, but that He will destroy the greed and sin in them that drives them to ignore that fact that the earth was made for all of us, and we need to take care of it for others. The world is not going to end; it will go on, but God also said that He will have to shorten the days, lest no one be saved. I believe that He will intervene, (but not in exactly the way that most end-timers think), but not until the residents of this earth realize the hurt and damage that has been done. The oil companies, and almost all humans for that matter, place profit above everything else, when they could be joining in the quest for clean energy. If they don't get on the bandwagon of this quest, since they are the largest promoters of the use of carbon, we may find ourselves in an emergency situation of astounding proportions. And speaking of pollution; don't forget what is going on in Japan and throughout the world with nuke power. This is an unprofitable business, and it would be in the red if it were not for the fact that it is needed to make weapons.
I believe the Bible is relevant if all the supernatural stuff is put away and the Bible is interpreted in a sensible, realistic manner with all the magic mumbo-jumbo dispensed with. There may be an end-of days for the earth as the Bible says, but it will not happen the way nuts like Lindsey, van Impe, LaHayne and a whole phone directory of prophecy "teachers" are beguiling gullible Christians into believing.
The phrase, "God works in mysterious ways" is totally irrelevant to this predicament. Actually, He works in very straightforward, easy-to-understand ways when it comes to situations like this: man is polluting the earth, which is causing the ice to melt, which is going to cause more violent tornadoes, flooding, droughts, fires, which is going to cause extreme economic losses related to natural disasters (already 2014 is the 2nd-worst year on record in the USA, exceeded only by 2013. Coincidence? Or fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? Maybe just the earth's natural reaction to what man is doing, with God having nothing to do with it? Note: I believe in God, I just don't believe He is directing all this. It's all on man's hands. God might step in when it's at an extinction tipping point and do something. Who knows.
Dogmatists and prophecy watchers should put aside their concerns about whether Ukraine is going to lead to the rapture and the antichrist and the tribulation and all that other guff. Here's the REAL problems facing our planet:
We're talking a rise in sea level of a minimum of 10 feet, folks. Sometimes we cannot see the forest for the trees. This is a "real" disaster facing civilization. God may work in mysterious ways, but the headline suggests that the earth might indeed be destroyed once again by a flood. So where is the "promise" He made to Noah? Maybe nowhere, because God never made such a promise because Noah and the flood never happened. The latest discoveries on what is happening with our crazy world climate would seem to bear this out.
Naturally, the rapturites will say that I am the one that's delusional. Fair enough, but from the looks of the headlines one of us certainly is.
Careful thrillobyte - this is governments and corporations asking for money/taxes to save the world because the sky is falling. The article makes it sound like this could be hundreds of years out. (Really they can predict that?)
Last decade Al Gore said the ice caps would have melted by 2014, and the poor polar bears would have no where to live (oops its now 2014 and the ice caps were actually expanding last year...). Meanwhile Al Gore flies around in his private jet between his multi-million dollar mansions which have 10x the energy costs of an average home. Like most other things in this world, the people in power with a mouthpiece are trying to scare the populace into submission so they can increase their power (wait - did that happen in the history Christianity? ... you know the answer )
Granted I do get the point of your post. I just think there are more legitimate threats than global warming - you'd think Fukishima spewing radiation into the Pacific ocean for 3 years straight would be a global concern, but does the media cover it? No because they haven't figured out how to make money off of that yet. Global warming on the other hand...
Yes Jesus said there were would be droughts in the time of sin , as Just what this so called climate change it all about ....See the polar melt is just the lack of snow during the winter months ........... Then the great prediction that it is going to get hotter , which you could not notice during the Arctic winter in North America we just had .............. All I see it is sin and lack of faith as Jesus has his hand off America and other area in the world , where as If people had faith and prayed for prosperity in the climate then the storms would be reduced and tornado and earthquakes and hurricanes would be reduced , but Where is the church of Christ in Its authority over the storms fighting the sexual diverse and the abortions and divisions in churches and fight for the family identity, supporting the government wars raising up an iniquity and getting lack of Holy Spirit who could take out the fallen angels of the storms ...
Yes Jesus said there were would be droughts in the time of sin , as Just what this so called climate change it all about ....See the polar melt is just the lack of snow during the winter months ........... Then the great prediction that it is going to get hotter , which you could not notice during the Arctic winter in North America we just had .............. All I see it is sin and lack of faith as Jesus has his hand off America and other area in the world , where as If people had faith and prayed for prosperity in the climate then the storms would be reduced and tornado and earthquakes and hurricanes would be reduced , but Where is the church of Christ in Its authority over the storms fighting the sexual diverse and the abortions and divisions in churches and fight for the family identity, supporting the government wars raising up an iniquity and getting lack of Holy Spirit who could take out the fallen angels of the storms ...
The Church has no authority over Nature and according to God it will get worse, thus praying for a change goes counter to God's will, so the real effort should be in helping people see the choice before them. That is what Jesus did and the apostles prior to 70 AD, even though natural disasters were to happen prior to that as well.
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