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Do you really need Christ in your life to accomplish any of that? Do you believe God's purpose of the Bible is receiving the message of being nice to others and challenging orthodox religion and government?
You can do that on your own.
Well, DRob, the question is really whether you would. So many people who think they ha ve Christ don't even be nice to people. Is there a spirit that prompts us that, when we pay attention, helps us to see our way to kindness? That helps expose the posturing of the merely religious whose only purpose is to control others? Jesus' atonement did away with "the Law of sin and death" and yet so many Christians are obsessed with it.
Do you really need Christ in your life to accomplish any of that? Do you believe God's purpose of the Bible is receiving the message of being nice to others and challenging orthodox religion and government?
You can do that on your own.
No, there is no need for Christ in legalism where everything is earned by being a nice guy.
God does not desire or demand a blood sacrifice. That comes from the pagan religions, and most Christians throughout Christian history have been nothing more than followers of that false religion.
It has nothing to do with Jesus and his message.
The books of the Bible were written over hundreds of years, by different men, some who actually walked with Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation, blood atonement was mentioned. The messiah was predicted and explained.
You expect me to believe they were all fooled by some pagan religion(s)?
The books of the Bible were written over hundreds of years, by different men, some who actually walked with Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation, blood atonement was mentioned. The messiah was predicted and explained.
You expect me to believe they were all fooled by some pagan religion(s)?
Only the ones who think that the mechanism of atonement is substitution.
Well, DRob, the question is really whether you would. So many people who think they ha ve Christ don't even be nice to people. Is there a spirit that prompts us that, when we pay attention, helps us to see our way to kindness? That helps expose the posturing of the merely religious whose only purpose is to control others? Jesus' atonement did away with "the Law of sin and death" and yet so many Christians are obsessed with it.
The underlined is simply not true for the overwhelming majority of Christians. It's just not true.
Controlling others... figment of the imagination. Nobody is controlling anyone, or attempting to control anyone.
Law of sin and death - it is not done away with as if it no longer exists... Christians are set free from it (Romans 8:2). I will say there should be a more balanced focused with regards to sin and the need for Christ. Sometimes we can goaded into being overly focused on sin.
How do you explain sins being forgiven without the shedding of blood?.Jesus went around forgiving folk without the shedding of blood and you know this to be true.
How do you explain sins being forgiven without the shedding of blood?.Jesus went around forgiving folk without the shedding of blood and you know this to be true.
You understand that both instances must be taken into account.
He alone is able to forgive sins.
For those who were in His physical presence - He did that on the spot through the faith of the individual.
For 99.99999% of the other people who have lived on the earth - they did not experience Jesus physically on the earth. So the plan of the Father was to use Christ's blood to apply for the sins of all of mankind through faith in Him. If you are using the Bible to support your Christianity, you can't help but take notice of the importance of the blood. If you are using some other source, then you won't understand.
The books of the Bible were written over hundreds of years, by different men, some who actually walked with Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation, blood atonement was mentioned. The messiah was predicted and explained.
You expect me to believe they were all fooled by some pagan religion(s)?
And copied and recopied and changed and altered overt the course of centuries. NONE, not a one is an original written DIRECTLY by any surviving disciple. The oldest of the documents are multiple copies removed from the original and not all copies are are in tact and complete specimens of the originals.
How do you explain sins being forgiven without the shedding of blood?.Jesus went around forgiving folk without the shedding of blood and you know this to be true.
1) But the OT sacrifice for sin was still being observed at the time ... and you know this to be true as well.
2) The only person who ultimately can forgive sin is God:
declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” Jeremiah 31:34
why do you think the Jews leaders objected when Jesus was forgiving people's sins without invoking God's name and not doing a sin sacrifice for himself that the high priest was commanded to do?
A: Jesus by saying he had the authority to forgive sins, the Jews knew what he was claiming to be: that's right folks, say it ... Jesus claimed he is the Almighty God \ Jehovah Jeremiah 31:34.
No wonder that Jesus could do other things that God can only do, like:
knowing the thoughts in the heart of people
command of the storms that was obvious the storm was obedient to Jesus' command
done miracles invoking no other name other than by his own command
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