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Old 11-02-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Well Oregon people voted it in. Most states haven't though.
If you would vote against it in your state, you would be voting to force people to live by your beliefs.

Hardly as benign as you make it out to be.

No way around it Janelle, come right out and say it.

Given the chance, you would vote to force your personal beliefs on others rather than allow people individual choice. In your case, forcing your religious beliefs on others, since you frame it all as to what you think your particular god wants.

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Old 11-02-2014, 11:48 PM
 
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If you would vote against it in your state, you are voting to force people to live by your beliefs.

Hardly as benign as you make it out to be.

No way around it Janelle, come right out and say it.

Given the chance, you would vote to force your personal beliefs on others rather than allow people individual choice. In your case, forcing your religious beliefs on others, since you frame it all as to what you think your particular god wants.
I don't know what you want me to say. Our election right now you can say people are voting to force something. People have the right to vote their conscience, too bad you don't see it that way, we still have free elections on issues.
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Old 11-03-2014, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't know what you want me to say. Our election right now you can say people are voting to force something. People have the right to vote their conscience, too bad you don't see it that way, we still have free elections on issues.
The thing is Janelle, this girl dying yesterday, instead of dying three or four weeks from now, has no direct effect on your life, unlike, for instance, voting for or against a tax that will directly effect you.

Voting your conscience?

Well, it would bother my conscience if someone had to unnecessarily undergo immense suffering just to make me feel better. I am not the one lying there suffering, so it is not my choice to make.
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Old 11-03-2014, 12:44 AM
 
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I personally, along with millions of others, think euthanasia is wrong for whatever reason. If we had to vote on it we would vote not to allow it.

That is our right as it is your right to vote for it. Simple really.
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Old 11-03-2014, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I personally, along with millions of others, think euthanasia is wrong for whatever reason. If we had to vote on it we would vote not to allow it.

That is our right as it is your right to vote for it. Simple really.
And, just as with gay marriage, someday, the primitive dogma against death with dignity will fade away as our society becomes more civilized.
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Old 11-03-2014, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Everyone has a right to vote their conscience and I think everyone should do just that, don't you?
The question is whether your conscience would allow you to force your personal perceptions on people who don't share them.
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Old 11-03-2014, 01:31 AM
 
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The question is whether your conscience would allow you to force your personal perceptions on people who don't share them.
Ditto the other way as well. Seems to me people are now being forced to accept all kinds of things they don't want to accept with our activist judges overturning the outcome of people voting on an issue.
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Old 11-03-2014, 01:59 AM
 
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Ditto the other way as well. Seems to me people are now being forced to accept all kinds of things they don't want to accept with our activist judges overturning the outcome of people voting on an issue.


You are not going to be forced to marry someone of the same sex, you are not going to be forced to abort your pregnancy and you are not going to be forced to end your life against your will.

Some people just get mad when they don't get to force everyone else to live by their own personal beliefs.

Thankfully, those days are slowly, but surely, coming to an end.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:29 AM
 
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The question is whether your conscience would allow you to force your personal perceptions on people who don't share them.
I agree. And clearly many religious people would force their will on others because of their religious dogma. That goes for Christians, Islamics, and other religious people. They are not content enough to mind their own lives and decisions - they desire to make decisions for everyone. I see that as the desire to "be God".
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Ditto the other way as well. Seems to me people are now being forced to accept all kinds of things they don't want to accept with our activist judges overturning the outcome of people voting on an issue.
And the difference is that you are being asked to accept freedom for other people while you are willing to force restraints without demonstrating harm to society.
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