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So in your viewpoint, slashing yourself with a knife is a far worse sin than slashing somebody else?
Apparently according to him - 2 Christians being in a long-term, happy, loving, committed relationship/marriage raising children, is far far "worse" than rape, murder, child sexual abuse, theft, assault etc, if that couple is a same-gender couple.
But you HURT people with your condemnation of the fact that they ARE BORN the way they are. Maybe you weren't, but 99.9% of us have no control over who we are attracted to physically. I've given you plenty to read on that subject.
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If you have read one of my previous posts I have stated I was a practising homosexual. Sure we have no control on what sex we are attracted to but we have a choice to act out on those feelings or not. I used to be a major addict of pornograhy as well. I was an addict of porn for over 20 years. With the porn addiction I was so addicted that it prevented me for doing some very important tasks in life. also I would spend a lot of time on the internet at gay single sites and it be usually for sex I often went to gay bars, also gay sex clubs. Been there done that. I also spent a lot of time trying to find a boyfriend and finding dates. Infact it was not so long ago 90% of all the people I hanged out with were gay men. I was pro gay marriage and believed that there is no way a gay person could truly change and I thought I was born that way. 99% of all my sexual experiences have been with the same sex too.
I also went to a pro gay church and lasted a few months there.
My life was also a mess too as I had mental issues and had suicidal thoughts. ( I battled this for years) Yet not so long ago I prayed for the Lord to be my personal saviour and to forgive my sins. Not long after I prayed with a group of Christians and they prayed for me and they do not know of my same sex attraction but that prayer session was very powerful impact on me. (This was not at all an exgay group by the way as I do not go to any of them) I don't have the desire to go to gay bars or strong temptations to go to sex clubs or act out. My 20 year porn addiction was no longer there as I do not have a big desire to go into porn.
Yes at times I do get tempted with same sex attractions but unlike the past these temptations do not get the hold of me. It is because the Lord always provides a way out of temptation through the work of the holy spirit.
The bible verse is so true in my situation: 1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Even the Lord has cured me of mental disorders and I no longer have suicidal thoughts. Something I never thought would truly happen not so long ago. Yet I realise now that with the Lord anything is possible.
I am more contented and have a peace of mind now than when I was a practising homosexual.
The Lord has given me new desires and my new desires is to get to know more and more of the Lord, to serve people. I am more concerned about what the Lord thinks about me than fellow men think of me.
Apparently according to him - 2 Christians being in a long-term, happy, loving, committed relationship/marriage raising children, is far far "worse" than rape, murder, child sexual abuse, theft, assault etc, if that couple is a same-gender couple.
Go figure.
No, according to the Bible. Since you don't believe homosexuality is a sin, then the argument doesn't apply to you. It would be like trying to convince a race car driver that racing is dangerous.
Child sexual abuse and rape also would fall under the umbrella of sexual immorality. Even criminals in prison regard ppl who commit such sins as being lower than them.
In this post, you said "sexual immorality (which includes homosexuality) is even more damaging than other sins"
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
My beliefs are in accordance with southern baptist. According to wikipedia, there are 15.7 million members and that's not counting people who don't join the church officially. I hardly consider that to be an extremely small minority like you suggest here.
BTW, the Bible doesn't say all sins are created equal. It says sexual immorality (which includes homosexuality) is even more damaging than other sins:
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
1 Corinthians 6:18
Here cupper3 points out that "you just have to pay off the father if you rape the daughter."
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Originally Posted by cupper3
Your right, the bible does think some sins are bigger than others. Of course, nowhere does it say slavery is a sin, does it?
Nope, nowheres.
It tells us how to beat slaves, how to rape them, and even Jesus advised on how to beat them.
And THAT book guides your morality? Really?
The one where you just have to pay off the father if you rape the daughter, and all is OK?
So, is rape not a sexual immorality? I mean, YOU said sexual immorality is worse than other sins, yet all a man who rapes a young girl has to do (based on Biblical writings) to get off the hook, is marry the girl and pay her father some money. Does that mean that raping a young girl isn't nearly as bad as homosexuality? If it's not, what does it mean when you say sexual immorality is even more damaging than other sins. If it is as bad as homosexuality, why haven't you started a thread about it and posted a few hundred Bible quotes about how bad it is? If raping a young girl IS as bad as homosexuality, what explanation is there about that paying off the father thing?
I'm just confused. Perhaps you can explain yourself here.
Having recently watched a federal judge overthrow the will of the people in my state who voted to ban same-sex marriage I feel we are in perilous times.
A single act of homosexuality is considered an abomination in God's Word the Bible. Therefore marriage between two homosexuals is off the moral scale as far as abominations go. I think we all need to wake up before our nation is destroyed for this and all the rest of our horrible sins.
There is NO double standard with God.
Here is a scripture from the both King James Version and the Easy-to-Read Version of the Bible:
Leviticus 20:13
KJV:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
ERV:
“If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.
The US Government is promoting sin and eventually we are all going to have to pay a heavy price.
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God has looked upon the sins of America. Judgement has begun.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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If you have read one of my previous posts I have stated I was a practising homosexual. Sure we have no control on what sex we are attracted to but we have a choice to act out on those feelings or not. I used to be a major addict of pornograhy as well. I was an addict of porn for over 20 years. With the porn addiction I was so addicted that it prevented me for doing some very important tasks in life. also I would spend a lot of time on the internet at gay single sites and it be usually for sex I often went to gay bars, also gay sex clubs. Been there done that. I also spent a lot of time trying to find a boyfriend and finding dates. Infact it was not so long ago 90% of all the people I hanged out with were gay men. I was pro gay marriage and believed that there is no way a gay person could truly change and I thought I was born that way. 99% of all my sexual experiences have been with the same sex too.
I also went to a pro gay church and lasted a few months there.
My life was also a mess too as I had mental issues and had suicidal thoughts. ( I battled this for years) Yet not so long ago I prayed for the Lord to be my personal saviour and to forgive my sins. Not long after I prayed with a group of Christians and they prayed for me and they do not know of my same sex attraction but that prayer session was very powerful impact on me. (This was not at all an exgay group by the way as I do not go to any of them) I don't have the desire to go to gay bars or strong temptations to go to sex clubs or act out. My 20 year porn addiction was no longer there as I do not have a big desire to go into porn.
Yes at times I do get tempted with same sex attractions but unlike the past these temptations do not get the hold of me. It is because the Lord always provides a way out of temptation through the work of the holy spirit.
The bible verse is so true in my situation: 1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Even the Lord has cured me of mental disorders and I no longer have suicidal thoughts. Something I never thought would truly happen not so long ago. Yet I realise now that with the Lord anything is possible.
I am more contented and have a peace of mind now than when I was a practising homosexual.
The Lord has given me new desires and my new desires is to get to know more and more of the Lord, to serve people. I am more concerned about what the Lord thinks about me than fellow men think of me.
I know you stated you were a practicing homosexual. So what? There have been plenty of people who practiced heterosexuality, but later decided to come out.
Read the autobiography by Christian (and pastor) Mel White entitled Stranger at the Gate. Mel was a ghost writer for and considered a friend by the likes of Jerry Falwell, W.A. Criswell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, and Jim and Tammy Bakker. He hid who he was through 25 years of marriage. Here is a partial excerpt where he explains there is no known reason for his homosexuality---he literally prayed daily and for hour upon hour to be "delivered" from who he is. He remained in the closet until late in life.
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I can't blame my sexual orientation or my deep fearful silence about it on my parents or on our life together as a family. With my two brothers (and later our foster sister, Judy, one of several children Mom and Dad took in) we had a rich and exciting family life. We worked, played, and
worshiped together. Our home was a safe, wonderful, and deeply spiritual place complete with the smell of cinnamon rolls baking in the oven and oak logs burning in the fireplace.
I can' blame my childhood pastors, either. Though I attended a small, conservative Protestant church, most of my pastors were part time seminary students who took the Bible seriously and used its original languages, cultures, and historical contexts to make its lessons clear to me. I don't remember
hearing a sermon or a Wednesday night Bible study deriding "the sins of homosexuality."-------
I certainly can't blame my fellow students. Nobody called me *****, ***, or fairy, at least not that I remember. I'm sure there were "homo" jokes in circulation, but no one aimed the jokes at me. ----
And I can't blame the older gay men in our town, either. If they were there, and they must have been, they never even introduced themselves, let alone molested, recruited, or frightened me. My scoutmasters, and my counselors never once committed any kind of sexual indiscretion in my presence. If they had, believe me, this book would tell the story.
I honestly don't know where my homophobia and self-hatred came from. No one that I remember talked much about homosexuality in those days, neither to condemn nor to support it. I'm sure I'd read or heard those ancient passages calling men who slept with other men an "abomination," but I wasn't sleeping with other boys. I just dreamed of it, and those dreams that I had known since earliest adolescence seemed so evil and so damning that I locked myself and my dreams away in a closet of silence and self-torture for the next twenty-five years.
Stranger at the Gate, Mel White, Simon & Schuster, copyright 1994, pp. 32-33
If becoming Christian led you to "choose" a heterosexual or celibate life style--bully for you!! Many men and women have chosen celibacy in order to honor God. It doesn't mean that it is necessary for all, or even that it makes them holier than anyone else.
But if you've chosen your lifestyle simply to "adhere" to the false teaching of conservative Christianity, then I feel sorry for you, because God loves you for the person He created from the womb. All of us struggle with sin--every single person with cognitive ability fights urges of selfishness---because that is what most of them are. But I have no problem looking at a beautiful woman and thinking she is "hot!" God made me that way. But I remain faithful to my wife of nearly 44 years. She doesn't look as good as she did all those years ago, but I wouldn't trade her in for a dozen of the best looking women in the world. Why? Because I've learned with her to do what God does with us---look inside---and when I do, she is the most amazing woman I've ever known despite my occasional fleeting glance at any younger woman. She has displayed loyalty and perseverance that I value far more highly than the natural urges God put inside of me. Loyalty, perseverance, and honoring covenant relationships are the hallmark of the God displayed in both the Old and New Testaments. Men condemning other men for any reason is what He hated most of all. God is the judge, the Holy Spirit convicts, I am called to love others as myself. And if you don't love yourself, you find yourself hating others.
I have no problem with you being a "former" gay and religious. You should have no problem with gays who remain that way--and are religious like Mel White.
God has looked upon the sins of America. Judgement has begun.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
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Originally Posted by BishopRidge
amen!
And how exactly do the two of you believe God will punish America after He has finished judging?
Gods don't kill people. PEOPLE WITH GODS KILL PEOPLE.
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