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God absolutely condemns the abominable sin of homosexuality which requires by God's law that both parties be put to death to lose their physical life and if it is not repented of during the judgment they will die the second death.
Not sure why you love calling it an abominable sin. You do realize abomination doesn't exist in Hebrew right? That's not the meaning of the original Hebrew word. Eating shellfish is called an "abomination" too. As is sleeping with one's wife on her period.
No man has ever been charged with a crime related to homosexuality. You are apparently also unaware of the fact that Lesbians are not condemned in the Torah. Lesbians can have relations with each other and it isn't viewed as sinful in Leviticus, which means the sin isn't referring to homosexuality.
So is it safe to assume then that this is how you get rid of mould in your house? I would just buy an anti-mould product from the local store. But hey, if you want to live like it's 400BC in the ancient-near-east, go right ahead.
Leviticus 14
49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
Those are ceremonial laws that only applied to the nation of Israel as a test of obedience and purity before God.
Homosexuality is a moral law that applies to everyone. Leviticus lists it along with incest and bestiality as detestable practices. The Bible shows that these moral laws did not apply only to Israel. Immediately after commanding them to not have gay sex and bestiality follows this verse:
"'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants."
Lev. 18-24-25
God describes a sin so bad that it defiled the land itself. And He punishes them for this sin. So that alone shows that the law was not only for Israel. Therefore, it is not the same as laws about shellfish or shaving your beard.
And He certainly did punish those nations. Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Egyptian, Hittites, Phoencians, all gone. The nation of Israel? Still alive and thriving.
Homosexuality is a moral law that applies to everyone.
Everyone in your club that is. It certainly does not apply to me or anyone I know, any more than the golf pants and dress rule of the local golf club applies to people walking past on the street outside.
I do know this. I am currently in the presence of some people here who are in favor of an abominable sin that is a capital crime who are attacking any anti-homosexual comments posted against this iniquity and I am giving my opinion on the matter that I am opposed to it and that God, Christ and the Scriptures are opposed to it.
You are to abhor evil and I do not see that attitude present here at all for some of the posters. To abhor someone speaking out against a serious sin as homosexuality is not a godly attitude at all. You should be joining me and others in condemning this sin and the Bible says it is an abomination -- a death penalty (capital) crime. Repentance is badly needed here for some.
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Abomination is an English word from poor translation. "Uncleaness" is a better word. As I recall, it is the word used for eating ritually "unclean" foods. Jesus taught that real abomination comes from the heart.
And in quoting the Old Testament you are hypocritical if you hold to uncleanness about sexual relations between men (nowhere in the Bible is it written about women), but fail to follow the "unclean" rules of different foods which are in the same context. Incidentally, the same Hebrew word used to describe "abomination" in Leviticus is used in Proverbs 12:22 with regard to dishonesty. Your claim to love God but hate people that Jesus came to die for is dishonest. So in linguistic terms you would also be an abomination in God's eyes---a capital crime.
So if you've eaten shrimp it is a capital crime punishable by death. When you are a Pharisee, you must follow ALL the LAW, not just those you pick and choose. And if it's one thing Jesus was very clear about in His teaching, it is that hypocrites will be judged by God.
God hates divorce, too. We should return to the days of early England when a divorce could be granted only by filing an application with Parliament. Congress is so unable to accomplish anything that is actually good for the people of the nation, their time would be better spent weighing in on the merit of individual divorce cases.
Your claim is so old testament, and sexist as well. The Bible says nothing at all about relations between women. But then fundies are always holding up specific verses to treat women as inferiors, perhaps saying "kill the homosexual males, but let the homosexual women live," fits right in with their misguided religion.
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Homophobia is sinful in the eyes of Jesus. It violates the second most important commandment.
Love your neighour as you love yourself.
This is blasphemy. For it is you who are putting words in the mouth of the Lord
which do not belong from Him at all. To love thy neighbor does not mean to
approve of his or her sins.
Also, "homophobia" first appeared in the 1969 pornographic magazine "Screw",
where it was not used in the meaning it is used commonly today at all. "Homophobia"
was the feeling of straight men that they would be perceived as gay. Not that they
had a fear of gays, but that they were afraid of beeing seen as gay when they were not.
And again, even in its misconstrued application today, the word is abused, because
the vast majority of those deemed as "homophobes" are not in truth afraid of homosexuals,
or homosexuality. They simply deplore it. It is more of a loathing and indignation than a fear.
...snip...
And again, even in its misconstrued application today, the word is abused, because
the vast majority of those deemed as "homophobes" are not in truth afraid of homosexuals,
or homosexuality. They simply deplore it. It is more of a loathing and indignation than a fear.
At least you're honest about your hate.
See how that works for ya when you face the last mirror.
Those are ceremonial laws that only applied to the nation of Israel as a test of obedience and purity before God.
Homosexuality is a moral law that applies to everyone. Leviticus lists it along with incest and bestiality as detestable practices. The Bible shows that these moral laws did not apply only to Israel. Immediately after commanding them to not have gay sex and bestiality follows this verse:
"'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants."
Lev. 18-24-25
God describes a sin so bad that it defiled the land itself. And He punishes them for this sin. So that alone shows that the law was not only for Israel. Therefore, it is not the same as laws about shellfish or shaving your beard.
And He certainly did punish those nations. Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Egyptian, Hittites, Phoencians, all gone. The nation of Israel? Still alive and thriving.
HAHA. All those Nations, and other Nations, lasted as Nations last. Homosexuality and Beastiality did nothing to hasten their end. AS HAS Israel been spit out from their land countless times. It's all about the better governments and armies, and "ALL of Heaven" has always been on the side of the better army.
I'm absolutely sure that homosexuality was hated by Israel's ancient neighbors as well, with the liberals trying to protect them from the abuse of the homophobes and sexists.
I don't understand why quotes from the Bible are taken as evidence of anything, other than it's a collection of people who wrote a book thousands of years ago. How does anyone know it was divinely inspired, and even if it was, how did they know what God thought? No one does, and they didn't. And how can anyone interpret it in any particular way? That's also impossible, since it has been revised who knows how many times, and no one has a clue what these people really said in the first place. If a person believes in it, takes comfort in it, and wants to be religious, fine, but don't use that as some sort of "evidence" to tell me it's wrong for me to love another, because I'm not buying it for a minute.
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