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Old 02-09-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: In God's Hand
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If you would like to learn about evolution, there are many books about it written by real biologists working in the field.
Oh, I'm sure there is, just as the book along with any peer review are all being presented under the assumption that the evolution theory is true when it is not, hence science fiction.

 
Old 02-09-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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no poor. what is done is all the evidence is laid out. They we decide as a group which story fits the observations the best. Then we give it to anybody, anywhere, that wants it. or they may go and take a look for themselves. And more importantly they are encouraged to decide for themselves. Then all the conclusions are brought back together for comparison. there may be more than one possible solution. Thats way cool too.

With the number of sick demented scientist out for money and glory you can bet they want to find a new theory that would make them the most known scientist in the world. Scientist are quite into themselves ya know. add in the number of PhD students looking for the slice of the pie, and you have everybody wanting to prove the old theory by the old people wrong. The mistake is thinking scientist are in it together. Scientist are an egocentric bunch. They want all the glory and money for themselves. Just like most other people. They just can't make stuff up tho, unlike in philosophy where how pretty people write makes them right.

Then there is the matter of using your common sense. One look at recently emptied glacier valley along with a brief discussion using common sense and the 6 day story falls to the way side. Most rational non-literalist then claim god may have done it through evolution. If you have even seen a hanging glacier valley from the main channel ... wow. the bible god becomes small.

The claim "evolution doesn't need a god" made by some of my peers implies WAY more than what is known. it may not have been done by that thing described by literalist bible thumpers but If there is a god, he did it through evolution. how cool is that. You might know you god just a little better. Like a child knows his parents. that's cool stuff if ya ask me.

Then the question is, if there is a god, does it know we are here? The answer to that is whatever one needs. Just don't be forcing it on others that don't need or want what you need.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 06:53 AM
 
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no poor. what is done is all the evidence is laid out. They we decide as a group which story fits the observations the best. Then we give it to anybody, anywhere, that wants it. or they may go and take a look for themselves. And more importantly they are encouraged to decide for themselves. Then all the conclusions are brought back together for comparison. there may be more than one possible solution. Thats way cool too.

With the number of sick demented scientist out for money and glory you can bet they want to find a new theory that would make them the most known scientist in the world. Scientist are quite into themselves ya know. add in the number of PhD students looking for the slice of the pie, and you have everybody wanting to prove the old theory by the old people wrong. The mistake is thinking scientist are in it together. Scientist are an egocentric bunch. They want all the glory and money for themselves. Just like most other people. They just can't make stuff up tho, unlike in philosophy where how pretty people write makes them right.

Then there is the matter of using your common sense. One look at recently emptied glacier valley along with a brief discussion using common sense and the 6 day story falls to the way side. Most rational non-literalist then claim god may have done it through evolution. If you have even seen a hanging glacier valley from the main channel ... wow. the bible god becomes small.

The claim "evolution doesn't need a god" made by some of my peers implies WAY more than what is known. it may not have been done by that thing described by literalist bible thumpers but If there is a god, he did it through evolution. how cool is that. You might know you god just a little better. Like a child knows his parents. that's cool stuff if ya ask me.

Then the question is, if there is a god, does it know we are here? The answer to that is whatever one needs. Just don't be forcing it on others that don't need or want what you need.
And there is the matter of scientists being disenfranchised from whatever university the scientist works for, or having funds withheld, if he opens his mouth and tells them that evolution is a crock of horse manure.
Scientists are not free to oppose the current bologna without severe repercussions.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 06:58 AM
 
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What I think also is interesting is Intelligent Design people are always castigated for claiming the unintelligent design people believe a cat became a dog.

Yet why should the ID people not accuse them of believing this when they teach that all life on earth came from a single cell amoeba which through maybe millions of years became a fish which through maybe millions of years became a lizard and crawled out of the water which through maybe millions of years the lizard became a monkey and through maybe millions of years became a human. So inhering within the idea propose by the UD's is that an animal, wholly unlike the original came a completely different animal i.e., fish to lizard, lizard to monkey etc.

Now the UD's can say: That is not how it works and you know it. Well if that isn't how it works, why do the UD scientists present it that way in their cartoons?
 
Old 02-10-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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Oh, I'm sure there is, just as the book along with any peer review are all being presented under the assumption that the evolution theory is true when it is not, hence science fiction.
So you're not even willing to investigate for yourself? You just write it off as a big conspiracy?
 
Old 02-10-2015, 07:51 AM
 
Location: In God's Hand
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no poor. what is done is all the evidence is laid out. They we decide as a group which story fits the observations the best.
All the presentation under the assumption that the evolution theory is true on the evidence is in question.

#1: The dating method is based on the assumption that there was no major global catastrophy within the last 50,000 years; otherwise there would be no way to get an accurate result; and yet legends around the world in most culture testify of a global flood in human history and not just the Bible.

#2: Punctuated macro evolution removes the time factor necessary for macro evolution of the gradual macro evolution theory to occur. Punctuated macro evolution is "rapid" macro evolution. That is proof that macro evolution theory has always been in the abstract & that it was never a fact in the 1st place!

#3: A series of micro evolution no matter how long the time one proposes and yet not observed, is not going to bring about macro evolution. If hybridization does not bring about macro evolution, then neither will micro evolution because a cow will always be a cow. Period. That is all we can observe in science.

#4: For the abundance of evidence of the fossil records, there are huge & numerous gaps for what they want us to swallow their presentation as transitional fossils by which is under the assumption that the evolution theory is true. Even evolutionary scientists Gould and others ADMIT THIS LACK OF EVIDENCE OF TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS as quoted at pro evolution sites!!!

#5: Mass graves of fossilized whale bones and other fossilized marine life has been found with fossilized land animals on mountain tops at various places all over the world is evidence of a world wide flood. The gross negligence of how marine fossils will have a so called "later dating result" and thus must have been fossilized at a different "earlier" time under those sediments with land animals being at a seperate time are ignoring the fact that;

A. Mass graves of both marine & land fossils TOGETHER is consistently found all over the world;

B. Living marine life forms would have a lower carbon dating result than living land animals; the same would reflect in the fossil record; no matter how erroneous the millions of years time table is.

By removing the pet evolution theory in science, the fossil record is evidence of a global flood.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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All the presentation under the assumption that the evolution theory is true on the evidence is in question.

#1: The dating method is based on the assumption that there was no major global catastrophy within the last 50,000 years; otherwise there would be no way to get an accurate result; and yet legends around the world in most culture testify of a global flood in human history and not just the Bible.

#2: Punctuated macro evolution removes the time factor necessary for macro evolution of the gradual macro evolution theory to occur. Punctuated macro evolution is "rapid" macro evolution. That is proof that macro evolution theory has always been in the abstract & that it was never a fact in the 1st place!

#3: A series of micro evolution no matter how long the time one proposes and yet not observed, is not going to bring about macro evolution. If hybridization does not bring about macro evolution, then neither will micro evolution because a cow will always be a cow. Period. That is all we can observe in science.

#4: For the abundance of evidence of the fossil records, there are huge & numerous gaps for what they want us to swallow their presentation as transitional fossils by which is under the assumption that the evolution theory is true. Even evolutionary scientists Gould and others ADMIT THIS LACK OF EVIDENCE OF TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS as quoted at pro evolution sites!!!

#5: Mass graves of fossilized whale bones and other fossilized marine life has been found with fossilized land animals on mountain tops at various places all over the world is evidence of a world wide flood. The gross negligence of how marine fossils will have a so called "later dating result" and thus must have been fossilized at a different "earlier" time under those sediments with land animals being at a seperate time are ignoring the fact that;

A. Mass graves of both marine & land fossils TOGETHER is consistently found all over the world;

B. Living marine life forms would have a lower carbon dating result than living land animals; the same would reflect in the fossil record; no matter how erroneous the millions of years time table is.

By removing the pet evolution theory in science, the fossil record is evidence of a global flood.


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Old 02-10-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Sitting on a bar stool. Guinness in hand.
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Just some legal cases of note about the issue.

Ten Major Court Cases about Evolution and Creationism | NCSE
 
Old 02-10-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Just some legal cases of note about the issue.

Ten Major Court Cases about Evolution and Creationism | NCSE
That's just what happens when attorneys get involved.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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That's just what happens when attorneys get involved.
Yeah. Before you know it, you're forced to deal with truth and reality.

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