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Old 06-26-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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Yea, enticed...Like G-d enticed him into the Garden in Eden...




The Hebrew language is a root based language and from those roots are derived many words related to each other...The Hebrew language is a functional language, while western languages are an abstract based language...
G-d enticed who into the Garden?
Where do you get this?
Satan?
Sharp eyes pierce the soul.

Remember the thief comes to steal kill and destroy.
Their is no life in him. He eats dust. The old Raven going to and fro through deserts and dry places.

Richard I hope you will see more clearly soon.
I hope you find the well soon.

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Old 06-26-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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G-d enticed who into the Garden?
Where do you get this?
From the Hebrew verb that has the sense of "enticing" according to the Jew Hebrew scholars...

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Remember the thief comes to steal kill and destroy.
Their is no life in him. He eats dust. The old Raven going to and fro through deserts and dry places.
Do what???...What in the world are you talking about?...

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Richard I hope you will see more clearly soon.
I hope you find the well soon.
Oh, I have definitely found the well...But, you really have no idea the journey that I have taken the last 30 years...
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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From the Hebrew verb that has the sense of "enticing" according to the Jew Hebrew scholars...



Do what???...What in the world are you talking about?...



Oh, I have definitely found the well...But, you really have no idea the journey that I have taken the last 30 years...
Hebrew scholars?
I hope there is huge mistake in understanding of the English language.then.

Is English your first Language?


Full Definition of ENTICE

transitive verb
: to attract artfully or adroitly or by arousing hope or desire : tempt
en·tice·ment


\-ˈtī-smənt\ noun
en·tic·ing·ly
\-ˈtī-siŋ-lē\ adverb

transitive verb \ˈtem(p)t\
: to cause (someone) to do or want to do something even though it may be wrong, bad, or unwise


Related to TEMPT

Synonymsallure, bait, beguile, betray, decoy, entice, lead on, seduce, solicit, lure

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

As far as English translation is concerned. The Scholars are implying G-d is the Tempter. According to who you have learned from.

Typically entice is used in connection with lure or snare. In short deception.

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Old 06-27-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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Hebrew scholars?
Yes...Jewish Hebrew scholars who know their own language and know what the words actually imply...

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I hope there is huge mistake in understanding of the English language then.
No...It is a huge mistake in the understanding of the Hebrew language in which the Sefer Torah was written and the Jewish Hebrew scholars fully understand...

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Is English your first Language?
Yes, English is my first language, however, unlike you, it seems, I understand the etymology of words...

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Full Definition of ENTICE

transitive verb
: to attract artfully or adroitly or by arousing hope or desire : tempt
en·tice·ment


\-ˈtī-smənt\ noun
en·tic·ing·ly
\-ˈtī-siŋ-lē\ adverb

transitive verb \ˈtem(p)t\
: to cause (someone) to do or want to do something even though it may be wrong, bad, or unwise




Related to TEMPT

Synonymsallure, bait, beguile, betray, decoy, entice, lead on, seduce, solicit, lure

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

As far as English translation is concerned. The Scholars are implying G-d is the Tempter. According to who you have learned from.

Typically entice is used in connection with lure or snare. In short deception.
No...Not deception...I think your mind is connecting that with what the serpent did with Eve...See, that's the problem, we as a society may have added that attribute to the word "entice", however, that is not what it originally meant...Just as the word "gay" today has a dual meaning, depending on the context...As opposed to its original meaning of happy and carefree...

You really need to sort yourself out regarding the way you think and process information...


15 Now the Lord God took the man, and He placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and to guard it.
Rashi's Commentary:

took: He took him with pleasant words and enticed him to enter. — [Gen. Rabbah 16:5]
And here is the reason Rashi, a Jewish Hebrew Scholar states that G-d enticed Adam to enter the Garden...Do you really think that G-d just picked Adam up and plopped him down in the Garden???...

וַיִּקַּח יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהִים אֶת הָאָדָם וַיַּנִּחֵהוּ בְגַן עֵדֶן לְעָבְדָהּ וּלְשָׁמְרָהּ:


יַּנִּחֵהוּ

to lead, to direct, to guide ; to instruct ; to officiate, to moderate
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Old 06-27-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Yes...Jewish Hebrew scholars who know their own language and know what the words actually imply...



No...It is a huge mistake in the understanding of the Hebrew language in which the Sefer Torah was written and the Jewish Hebrew scholars fully understand...



Yes, English is my first language, however, unlike you, it seems, I understand the etymology of words...



No...Not deception...I think your mind is connecting that with what the serpent did with Eve...See, that's the problem, we as a society may have added that attribute to the word "entice", however, that is not what it originally meant...Just as the word "gay" today has a dual meaning, depending on the context...As opposed to its original meaning of happy and carefree...

You really need to sort yourself out regarding the way you think and process information...


15 Now the Lord God took the man, and He placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and to guard it.
Rashi's Commentary:

took: He took him with pleasant words and enticed him to enter. — [Gen. Rabbah 16:5]
And here is the reason Rashi, a Jewish Hebrew Scholar states that G-d enticed Adam to enter the Garden...Do you really think that G-d just picked Adam up and plopped him down in the Garden???...

וַיִּקַּח יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהִים אֶת הָאָדָם וַיַּנִּחֵהוּ בְגַן עֵדֶן לְעָבְדָהּ וּלְשָׁמְרָהּ:


יַּנִּחֵהוּ

to lead, to direct, to guide ; to instruct ; to officiate, to moderate

to lead, to direct, to guide ; to instruct ; to officiate, to moderate

These are not synonymous with entice.

For example.
John 14
26"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Zechariah
8 and said unto him: 'Run, speak to this young man, saying: 'Jerusalem shall be inhabited without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein.
9 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and I will be the glory in the midst of her.
16 And the LORD shall inherit Judah as His portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts: Behold, I will save My people from the east country, and from the west country;
8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.
12 For as the seed of peace, the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to inherit all these things.
14 For thus saith the LORD of host: As I purposed to do evil unto you, when your fathers provoked Me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not;
15 so again do I purpose in these days to do good unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah; fear ye not.
16 These are the things that ye shall do: Speak ye every man the truth with his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates;
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Old 06-27-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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to lead, to direct, to guide ; to instruct ; to officiate, to moderate

These are not synonymous with entice.
Is English YOUR first language?...
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Old 06-27-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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Is English YOUR first language?...
Jesus Loves you Richard.
Jesus is the well. Go to the well.
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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Jesus Loves you Richard.
Jesus is the well. Go to the well.
Ohh...So that's it?...You don't have nothing?...You are going to be surprised after you die when you find out that you were deceived all this time...But, hey, whatever...
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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Hey check this out:

And the Church, going out into the highways and the hedges, has tried to entice men with the offer of generous Indulgence."

Bad church...Trying to entice (according to you deceive) men...English really isn't your first language, is it now?...
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Old 06-28-2015, 10:25 PM
 
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Corrupt men have gone out from among you, and enticed the inhabitants of their city saying:

Let us go and serve other gods — which you have not known.
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