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Old 03-20-2015, 05:03 PM
 
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This is totally wrong. Keeping the commandments does NOT make one sinless.
Even if one keeps them, he or she is still a sinner; and one may not cleanse
himself of sin, only Jesus and the Holy Spirit can do that.
The variance in this verse is discussed in the links I provided, and in other
books. The root lies in the visual, not rhetorical near-total identicality of a section of
the verse in the oldest manuscripts.
can anything keep you sinless? "Thinking of Jesus literally" and aligning to his "perspective" are two different things. he meant the latter.
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:14 AM
 
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They're wrong. The idea that a particular version is more inspired than another English version is idiotic. God inspired the original texts...not the modern-day version.
Agreed...
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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To this layman, although the words differ a lot, the meaning doesn't much.

To keep commandments = be sinless.

To wash your robes = cleanse yourself of sin.
That's how I see it...
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:18 AM
 
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In the context of the entire Bible, those that do God's will are the Christians. The unbelievers are the ones that don't do God's will.


Yes---the image of washing in the blood of Christ. It's Christians that are washed in Christ's blood. The 2 things are kind of along the same vein.
Elizabeth Bathory should be exceptionally clean then...
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:24 AM
 
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figuratively? Is it Galatians that implore us to out on the "Armor?" Does everyone have a suit of armor to wear?
That's the point that I am attempting to make, it is a metaphor or simile, not literal...Washing your robes could be a metaphor for doing the commandments...Notice that is is not "having your robes washed", it is YOU "washing your robes"...It is also YOU following the commandments...Reasoning out that is YOU follow the commandments then YOU have washed your robes...
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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This is interesting....


Hugh J. Schonfield, an eminent Jewish scholar, worked for thirty years on his version of the original Greek text. He is also the translator of a later version, The Original New Testament. He was a historian, not a theologian. Thus, this is a non-ecclesiastical version. He avoids ecclesiastical terms, using such words as immersion, community, envoy, supervisor, and administrator instead of baptism, church, apostle, bishop, and deacon, respectively. In general, modern speech has been used, but with some exceptions.
The order of books does not follow that of the King James Version. Also, the chapters are divided into paragraphs, not numbered verses. Thus, at the beginning is a section entitled "Table for Comparison with the Authorized (King James) Version," which will aid the reader in locating specific passages. Also at the beginning is an extensive introduction which includes history. At the end are two indexes: one of persons and places and one of references.
New American Library (1958) - The Authentic New Testament
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:34 AM
 
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Also interesting....


'In the Beginning was the Word.
And the Word was with God.
So the Word was divine.
It was in the Beginning with God.
By it everything had being.
And without it nothing had being. ... .'


The Original New Testament
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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OK, what are the commandments? They are in scripture. If you read it all, the NT that has Jesus' commandments, you would see it. The problem is lifting a verse out of the immediate context and broader context. The Bible does explain and interpret itself.
The Commandments of Yeshua would be the Commandments of G-d...The Torah....
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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I've never suggested that there is not error in our modern translations. But the ORIGINAL texts are inerrant.
So where are the Original Texts?...
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Old 03-21-2015, 07:10 AM
 
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Something interesting here....


Temple Mount
Living Water, a misunderstood metaphor in the NT?...
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