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If given the opportunity, she would refuse to serve them the LGBTQ couple. Her intent to discriminate was enough for a large backlash.
It allows others to see real bigotry, and the soft bigotry of intent. It marginalizes members of your community.
Faith does not discriminate in any aspect. NONE. God is tired of people using God's name for their abusive behavior. God wants you to stop.
She gave her opinion, and it was enough for the LGBT commuity to threaten to murder her. Is she required to LIE to appease the gay crowd?
So, now people are not allowed to talk? You call that tolerance?
That's tyranny! That IS bigotry and discrimination. Thanks, but no thanks
No, she chose to honor God, and would not allow herself to be bullied.
Bless her heart.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me"
She gave her opinion, and it was enough for the LGBT commuity to threaten to murder her. Is she required to LIE to appease the gay crowd?
So, now people are not allowed to talk? You call that tolerance?
That's tyranny! That IS bigotry and discrimination. Thanks, but no thanks
No, she chose to honor God, and would not allow herself to be bullied.
Bless her heart.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me"
Two threats does not make a crowd , no clutching of your pearls will change it. I hope those who threatened are grounded by their parents, and their internet taken away.
She can talk all she wants. I appreciate she is showing herself.
Pappy always said, when someone shows themselves, believe it, and trust it. You may only have a moments glance into that soul. It should be all you need.
She can be your heroine. She needs your protection from the big bad gays. I get it.
I reserve the right to object to her bigotry and intent. Not tyranny. Tyranny is telling me I cannot object and react to her statement of intent.
I AM a Christian, Finn so your accusation about my view of Christians is just silly. I do not judge her . . . but she is doing the judging . . . ostensibly for God. I do NOT see HER as hateful. I am certain she is operating out of a genuine love of God (but NOT a love for each other). I am trying to get you to see that the ACTIONS themselves are hateful no matter WHO does them or for WHAT reasons. Of course, I would NOT expect her to lie . . . but I would expect her to follow the law and NOT discriminate in the conduct of her business. Listen very carefully, Finn. It is NOT about BEING anything. SHE was not BEING hateful. She was ACTING hatefully. Do you understand that there is a difference between BEING something and simply DOING something????
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She was asked a bait question and she answered truthfully, and you are offended by the truth. The ONLY other alternative to telling the truth is to lie.
You won't accept either, so there is no way to please you.
Maybe you should have listened very carefully what I told you earlier, because obviously it was "beyond you" again. The truth is that she only spoke the truth, and you are offended by it, and then you lash out and accuse her of being/acting hateful. You have made yourself the judge of what is hateful and what is not. According to you telling the truth is hateful, if the view does not line up with your gay agenda.
The only way to escape your judgment would have been to lie, but you already said that was not acceptable either. Nothing is acceptable.
You can't bully Christians to dishonor their God. They won't lie to appease your views of what is hateful and what is not. You are the accuser, so you wll always find something to accuse people of, even if they lied to appease you.
Hateful act is an act of expressing hate. Hate is a feeling, and it is not possible to be hateful without feeling hate. She was simply saying something which you are in disagreement with, and you attack her by labeling her words hateful. Suddelny you say her actions were NOT motivated by hate. If that's the case, then her actions were not hateful, they were something else. I'd say she was just being truthful.
I said I believe she was being truthful and probably feels very righteous, Finn. That is NOT the issue. If she ACTED on her intent to violate the anti-discrimination laws . . . it would be a hateful ACT. She would still feel righteous and might not have any hate in her heart. Doesn't matter. The ACT still would be hateful.
Two threats does not make a crowd , no clutching of your pearls will change it. I hope those who threatened are grounded by their parents, and their internet taken away.
She can talk all she wants. I appreciate she is showing herself.
No, she is being silenced. You are trying to silence her. You attack her for speaking the truth.
The LBGT demand for the American society is this:
1. Agree with the gay agenda
2. Lie in order to pretend to agree with it
3. Pay the consequences for not agreeing (or pretending to agree)
It reminds me of North Korea where everyone is required to cry when a leader dies.
I say no to tyranny, and so did the pizzeria owner.
Jesus command is the complete opposite of the LGBT demand: Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' It does not leave an option to lie, because it would dishonor God.
The LBGT crowd demands us to dishonor God, but Jesus commands to honor Him. I will choose God, and I am willing to pay the price.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me"
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I reserve the right to object to her bigotry and intent.
It is ironic you reserve the right to object, while denying it form others.
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I said I believe she was being truthful and probably feels very righteous, Finn. That is NOT the issue. If she ACTED on her intent to violate the anti-discrimination laws . . . it would be a hateful ACT. She would still feel righteous and might not have any hate in her heart. Doesn't matter. The ACT still would be hateful.
The only other option would have been to lie.
You attack her for telling the truth calling truth hateful, and you would attack her for lying if she had lied.
You can't win against the accusers, which is why it is best to ignore them and let God do the judging.
No, she is being silenced. You are trying to silence her. You attack her for speaking the truth.
The LBGT demand for the American society is this:
1. Agree with the gay agenda
2. Lie in order to pretend to agree with it
3. Pay the consequences for not agreeing or lying
I say no to tyranny, and so did the pizzeria owner.
Jesus command is the complete opposite:
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
The LBGT crowd demands us to dishonor God, but Jesus commands to honor Him. I will choose God, and I am willing to pay the price.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me"
It is ironic you reserve the right to object, while denying it form others.
What is the gay agenda? Is it spelled out like conservative christians spelled out in a 1994 meeting in Colorado Springs how they were going to take America back by electing their especially chosen candidates in each of the states?
Sorry, but the polls show people aren't lying with regard to their desire to see people treated fairly.
Pennsylvania passed a Religious Freedom Act in 2002. It is worded somewhat similar to Indiana's but has a very important exclusion:
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In 2002 Pennsylvania passed it’s own Religious Restoration Act. It’s similar to Indiana’s and now Arkansas religious freedom law, but different in a key way.
“The difference with the Religious Act that we have here is that there is an explicit exception for businesses,” Angela says.
That means here in Pennsylvania non-profits can chose to not serve someone for religious reasons; for profit businesses cannot
And that is what folks have been trying to tell the knuckleheads on this thread for several weeks now. It's fine if you want to run a non-profit operation--but in the world of profit business you are held to a different standard-----Thank God.
Let's get fundamentalists to the heart of the bigotry. In the following scenarios they will prove themselves either cowards by not replying, bigots by responding in the affirmative, or hypocritical by responding in the negative. In other words, here is their catch 22.
1. I am an emergency room trauma physician in a private city hospital when a young male arrives at the hospital critically beaten. His friend says a group of men beat him because he is homosexual. I refuse to provide him care because he is an abomination in God's sight.
I have acted on my own definition of religious freedom, and should be free to do so. Yes or no?
(This could be the same in a privately run "Emergency Care" facility.)
2. I am a bus driver for a city bus line. I see two men kiss at a bus stop and then one tries to board my bus. I tell him he can't board because he is gay and my religious freedom protects me from allowing him to board.
Correct? Yes or no?
3. I have a large clothing store and advertise openly, without restriction, for people to shop at my store. Two men holding hands come into my store, they "look" gay and try to buy some of my clothing. I refuse citing my religious freedom to not interact with homosexuals. I am within my "rights" even if I did not advertise that "we proudly serve the non-LGBT community." Correct? Yes or no?
When you state that SOME of these situations may be "public," please remember marriage is public. It has nothing to do with any church service anywhere in the United States. You simply want to foist a religious view on public life.
Why is this post being ignored by bible fundamentalists ? . Cherry picking your posts just like you do with the bible you say you believe in. What you do not realize is, this is the kind of question Jesus himself would have put to you knowing the attitude of you heart towards those you do not approve of. I say attitude of heart because there is nothing wrong with not approving of something,it is your attitude of heart that is in question, and it most certainly is not one of honoring God.
Sorry, but the polls show people aren't lying with regard to their desire to see people treated fairly..
You are free to support anything you want.
I will not be forced to dishonor God. The pizzeria owner wanted to honor God and tell the truth, and she was attacked for it by people like you. You are not treating her fairly.
No, she is being silenced. You are trying to silence her. You attack her for speaking the truth.
The LBGT demand for the American society is this:
1. Agree with the gay agenda
2. Lie in order to pretend to agree with it
3. Pay the consequences for not agreeing (or pretending to agree)
It reminds me of North Korea where everyone is required to cry when a leader dies.
I say no to tyranny, and so did the pizzeria owner.
Jesus command is the complete opposite of the LGBT demand: Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' It does not leave an option to lie, because it would dishonor God.
The LBGT crowd demands us to dishonor God, but Jesus commands to honor Him. I will choose God, and I am willing to pay the price.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me"
It is ironic you reserve the right to object, while denying it form others.
I have not prevented anyone from speaking out. I encourage it. I applaud it. When bigots come out into the sun light. We see who they are.
If I refused to make the cake for your fundamentalist wedding, I would be no better that the pizza maker.
I would not be complying with the law. God does not like your bigotry against the LGBT community.
You dishonor God. You use God to protect your bigotry. Jesus' command is clear. Do not discriminate against God's children, any of Gods children.
Those blessings you think are coming your way are Not from God.
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