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Old 12-06-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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The profound ignorance that suggests we are nolonger under Mosaic and moral laws is an example of
humans "thinking too much" plus egnoring Jesus who said and I will repeat this statement in hopes a few will LISTEN!! " I have come not to abolish the Law". " I have come not to say bye bye to the Law". I have come to keep and apply the Law, but to fullfill it!!! Not to END it.!!! Duh!!! Not to dissolve it not to have you say we are no longer under the law. Not to have you teach the OT is nolonger applicable. Stay away from pastors perverting this issue embedded in error. We are nolonger under the hundreds of RABINICAL laws yes!!! One must separate those from God ie Sabbath, ten commandments, moral laws , feasts, and wake up!!!
You keep talkin like that and nobody is going to like you.


But I do.
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Old 12-06-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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The profound ignorance that suggests we are nolonger under Mosaic and moral laws is an example of
humans "thinking too much" plus egnoring Jesus who said and I will repeat this statement in hopes a few will LISTEN!! " I have come not to abolish the Law". " I have come not to say bye bye to the Law". I have come to keep and apply the Law, but to fullfill it!!! Not to END it.!!! Duh!!! Not to dissolve it not to have you say we are no longer under the law. Not to have you teach the OT is nolonger applicable. Stay away from pastors perverting this issue embedded in error. We are nolonger under the hundreds of RABINICAL laws yes!!! One must separate those from God ie Sabbath, ten commandments, moral laws , feasts, and wake up!!!


Jesus said those who learn the law and teach it to others will become great in the kingdom while those who lead others to break these laws will be least in the Kingdom (Matt.5:18 KJV)

So what is there to learn about a law that is made up of a simple list of "do not do's" and things that need to be done? Absolutely nothing, however, because the priesthood has left the realm of the natural and moved into the realm of the spiritual, THERE MUST be a corresponding change in the Law that will cause it to cease from being used to condemn others and instead become our schoolmaster for teaching others the things of God THAT CANNOT BE LEARNED WITHOUT FIRST GAINING THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE LAW IS TO BE APPLIED SPIRITUALLY BOTH TO OUR LIVES AND TO THE WORD OF GOD!

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The blessings reserved for Christians chosen to minister unto God with unleavened bread, and from with Tabernacles when the Jews were supposed to enter and take the Promise Land cannot be realized without first learning how the law is to be followed spiritually instead of literally a sit has been taught for thousands of years

For that matter Jesus did not literally fulfill the law but He did fulfill it spiritually......... something we too need to do before there can ever be another male child caught up to heaven
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Old 12-06-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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You keep talkin like that and nobody is going to like you.


But I do.
Birds of a feather flock with the Duggars. And the McVeighs. And the Dears. And the Roofs. and all the others who see god-in-the-tiny-box as the OT WAR god who punishes the different, who oppresses the marginalized and preaches a new prosperity gospel based on works because LOVE is weak and causes people to STEP ON YOU.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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Birds of a feather flock with the Duggars. And the McVeighs. And the Dears. And the Roofs. and all the others who see god-in-the-tiny-box as the OT WAR god who punishes the different, who oppresses the marginalized and preaches a new prosperity gospel based on works because LOVE is weak and causes people to STEP ON YOU.


The law is a marriage covenant that has it's own language as instructions for the would be bride. All the feast days concern a betrothal, a separation, the coming of the bridegroom, a wedding, a honeymoon, a wedding banquet and the consummation of the bride and groom.


It's not a list of dos and don't like others look at it, it is a language by which to know the bridegroom. The law is the only way to actually know the bridegroom, if you don't know the law, you don't know him and he says,'' Depart from me, I never knew you lawbreakers.''


David absolutely loved it like a scented love letter cause that's what it is. The Temple is the bride, and the spirit that dwells within is the bridegroom.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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Who has heard of such a crazy unbelievable thing like what God has proposed in Isaiah 66?






Isaiah 66


7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


She gives birth to a full grown man she has raised in the womb having known no man. How does a woman give birth to a full grown man? Who has heard of such a thing, and yet she does.


First fruits.
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Old 12-06-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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Who has heard of such a crazy unbelievable thing like what God has proposed in Isaiah 66?






Isaiah 66


7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


She gives birth to a full grown man she has raised in the womb having known no man. How does a woman give birth to a full grown man? Who has heard of such a thing, and yet she does.


First fruits.
When did the Earth become pregnant in order to give birth to a full grown son?


Jesus was born on Sukkot and he was circumcised on the great 8th day. Ezekiel speaks about a prince to come where this prince would celebrate the Passover on Nisan 14, but not only the Passover, the rams of Pentecost, the goats of Yom Kippur, and the feast of Tabernacles bull where all the people shout in joy at collecting the water, the wine, and the willows.


3 processions of priests come with these 3 things. There are two bowls built into the alter. one for the water, and one for the wine. The willows are stood up like a tent around the alter and when the wine and water are poured into their bowls, there are holes in the bottom of the bowls to witness the water and wine spilling on the sacrifice and going into the earth. Shouts of joy cry out and people are in tears with joy saying,'' SAVE NOW, HEAL NOW.''




Jesus cried out from the cross and he was the true walking temple of God and the Temple is in the design of a woman. The veil of the Temple is to represent the veil of a virgin, and the ark behind that veil is to represent a uterus.


Hebrews 10:20


19Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh..........


He was the true Temple.




Those shouts of Joy at the feast of Tabernacles and the witness of the wine and water spilling out was only pointing to the blood and water spilling out the holes in Jesus flesh, it was a consummation that Jesus was the Temple, the true bride of God and a consummation took place that made the veil rip in two as it is with any consummation of marriage.


That blood and water was a legal witness through thousands of years of tradition in showing the blood stained sheets of a consummation of marriage.


The Earth literally became pregnant and gave forth her first born son on first fruits.








This is the final goal of the law and the prophets.




The law is a marriage contract for a bride, and what Moses brought down the first time was not what he went back up to get the second time and he did this a third time. The people came up to a wedding and they said,'' I do,'' before they ever heard the contract. Here was the bride waiting on Moses, the priest between man and God, and so Moses is coming down that mountain about to transform those people in a marriage and through the consummation of this marriage, their flesh would have been changed to give birth to sons of God right then, and right there. But the bride was committing adultery because she decided to go back to her Paganism and here was Moses after 40 days of trial to even get to that point, but the bride to be was committing adultery.


It was at that moment that everything changed. God would have made them sons of God but they committed adultery by their paganism and so God left it in their hands after that. Now Moses would bring down a design for a uterus because they themselves chose the works of their own hands and they chose themselves a new husband instead of God. So God gives them a new law not as the first he brought down, but a law that would let man try and give birth to sons of God by their own hands, by their own means because this is what they had chosen.


It is not what God had intended for them, but since they committed adultery, they would no longer be the only ones. Because of the adultery, now God would fill the earth with the knowledge of God.


They are still the chosen and still the example but everything changed when they were found going back to their pagan god's in Egypt.






The law and the prophets are beautiful if you begin to find all the hidden law of Jesus. The law of Jesus is the true meaning to every single law of Moses.


Are the laws concerning oxen about humans?


YES!


Not just one of the laws, but each and every single law has a beautiful meaning that should be found.

Hebrews


7Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing?


9For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”


YES~~~Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?


Each of the 7 feast days and their animals is showing you how to sow, how to reap in your own lives. The laws, the Sabbaths, and the feasts were made for man because man is the Temple.


The Temple MUST know itself as every person should know and love the comings and goings of the prince within this temple because a temple is waiting with great anticipation when it would be filled with the glory of God as a virgin who waits upon the coming of the bridegroom in great anticipation and this is why Ezekiel says,'' Show the design of the Temple to Israel that they maybe ashamed of their sins. Show them the comings and goings of the temple so they will know.''


The temple is a woman waiting on a true love. Year after year the priests come dressed in their seeds to the veil of a virgin and this veil has no door. All those years the temple remained a virgin, the veil in tact until a consummation happened and Jesus cried out just as the veil was rent in two from top to bottom.


Who has heard of such a thing?


The Earth became pregnant right after the consummation on the cross, and 3 days later she was delivered of a man child, the first of many brethren to follow, a whole nation.
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Old 12-06-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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When did the Earth become pregnant in order to give birth to a full grown son?


Jesus was born on Sukkot and he was circumcised on the great 8th day. Ezekiel speaks about a prince to come where this prince would celebrate the Passover on Nisan 14, but not only the Passover, the rams of Pentecost, the goats of Yom Kippur, and the feast of Tabernacles bull where all the people shout in joy at collecting the water, the wine, and the willows.


3 processions of priests come with these 3 things. There are two bowls built into the alter. one for the water, and one for the wine. The willows are stood up like a tent around the alter and when the wine and water are poured into their bowls, there are holes in the bottom of the bowls to witness the water and wine spilling on the sacrifice and going into the earth. Shouts of joy cry out and people are in tears with joy saying,'' SAVE NOW, HEAL NOW.''




Jesus cried out from the cross and he was the true walking temple of God and the Temple is in the design of a woman. The veil of the Temple is to represent the veil of a virgin, and the ark behind that veil is to represent a uterus.


Hebrews 10:20


19Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh..........


He was the true Temple.




Those shouts of Joy at the feast of Tabernacles and the witness of the wine and water spilling out was only pointing to the blood and water spilling out the holes in Jesus flesh, it was a consummation that Jesus was the Temple, the true bride of God and a consummation took place that made the veil rip in two as it is with any consummation of marriage.


That blood and water was a legal witness through thousands of years of tradition in showing the blood stained sheets of a consummation of marriage.


The Earth literally became pregnant and gave forth her first born son on first fruits.








This is the final goal of the law and the prophets.




The law is a marriage contract for a bride, and what Moses brought down the first time was not what he went back up to get the second time and he did this a third time. The people came up to a wedding and they said,'' I do,'' before they ever heard the contract. Here was the bride waiting on Moses, the priest between man and God, and so Moses is coming down that mountain about to transform those people in a marriage and through the consummation of this marriage, their flesh would have been changed to give birth to sons of God right then, and right there. But the bride was committing adultery because she decided to go back to her Paganism and here was Moses after 40 days of trial to even get to that point, but the bride to be was committing adultery.


It was at that moment that everything changed. God would have made them sons of God but they committed adultery by their paganism and so God left it in their hands after that. Now Moses would bring down a design for a uterus because they themselves chose the works of their own hands and they chose themselves a new husband instead of God. So God gives them a new law not as the first he brought down, but a law that would let man try and give birth to sons of God by their own hands, by their own means because this is what they had chosen.


It is not what God had intended for them, but since they committed adultery, they would no longer be the only ones. Because of the adultery, now God would fill the earth with the knowledge of God.


They are still the chosen and still the example but everything changed when they were found going back to their pagan god's in Egypt.






The law and the prophets are beautiful if you begin to find all the hidden law of Jesus. The law of Jesus is the true meaning to every single law of Moses.


Are the laws concerning oxen about humans?


YES!


Not just one of the laws, but each and every single law has a beautiful meaning that should be found.

Hebrews


7Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing?


9For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”


YES~~~Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?


Each of the 7 feast days and their animals is showing you how to sow, how to reap in your own lives. The laws, the Sabbaths, and the feasts were made for man because man is the Temple.


The Temple MUST know itself as every person should know and love the comings and goings of the prince within this temple because a temple is waiting with great anticipation when it would be filled with the glory of God as a virgin who waits upon the coming of the bridegroom in great anticipation and this is why Ezekiel says,'' Show the design of the Temple to Israel that they maybe ashamed of their sins. Show them the comings and goings of the temple so they will know.''


The temple is a woman waiting on a true love. Year after year the priests come dressed in their seeds to the veil of a virgin and this veil has no door. All those years the temple remained a virgin, the veil in tact until a consummation happened and Jesus cried out just as the veil was rent in two from top to bottom.


Who has heard of such a thing?


The Earth became pregnant right after the consummation on the cross, and 3 days later she was delivered of a man child, the first of many brethren to follow, a whole nation.

Some people are having too many night terrors and not enough abilify?
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Old 12-06-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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There shouldn't ever be a question about the law and I laugh at Paul getting so upset all the time because he had to keep explaining it over and over and still people didn't get it cause I guess they didn't want to. He kept calling them babies and these babies come from a literal place, he isn't just speaking in general. He talks about Christ being formed inside a person, and every one has heard the term,'' Born again,'' but most people don't take it as a literal thing when speaking of being born again, they just assume they are, and where did this child come from?


How many Christians will claim to be born again and yet they don't know who the mother and father are, and they don't realize they are keepers of the household of God that are to give the children of God meat in due season, and so they keep the child in the corner and neglect it. They give the child milk here and there and it LITERALLY remains a child.


How common it is to hear,'' I am a born again Christian?''
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Old 12-06-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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Some people are having too many night terrors and not enough abilify?
Not at all

Although I have a couple of questions for HF that do need to be worked out, I hope I can say this without you or others taking great offense.

Truth is when it comes to knowledge of, "Christ's second coming" (for lack of better words) HF is so many light years ahead of any "church theologian" no matter how many degrees they have from any college or seminary, they like you cannot even begin to understand what HF is speaking about let alone apprehend it for themselves.

However, and for your benefit

When Paul said he was "born out of due time" he spoke of himself and the other apostles as appearing on earth early and before the expected time because translated the phrase "born out of due time" refers to a pre-mature birth of a child before the expected delivery date.

Paul was saying he and the other apostles were a type and shadow as in a prophecy of a ministry to appear on earth in the beginning of the "third day" (AKA the day we are at the beginning of) that will mirror the ministry of the original apostles and fulfill the words of Jesus when He said there would be those who would do even greater works than people had already been witnessing happening around Jesus

How did all this come to be and when will the "expected date" for others just like Paul and the others to appear on earth?

Remember when Jesus told Mary to let go of His feet because He had not yet ascended unto His Father? This was because the time and day was "early in the morning the day after the Sabbath that was when the High priest would get up early and present Himself and the "first fruits" of the current crop ready for harvest to God for inspection. This was when Jesus declared by the law to be righteous was impossible to remain dead presented Himself a perfect Tree of Life along with "omer of barley" whose seeds were of His fruit to bring forth many more just like Him. These are the seeds that Jesus planted and has been waiting for the third day that is the expected due date of them coming forth on earth that will be the second time the fulness of God will appear in a human body on earth with the difference being this time there will be many and not just one

Unlike the wheat seeds of Pentecost that will bond with leaven (sin) these seeds were part of the fruit of His perfect life, death and consequent resurrection. While some of these seeds "matured early" that were the ones Paul was speaking of within the phrase of himself and the other apostles who too were,"born out of due time," the remaining seeds are now just about due to arrive on the scene.

There are a few things that need to be done, and in the right sequence before these seeds make themselves visible. Even though Paul said "all will be changed" only the chosen of Jesus in the omer of barley will become 100 fold exact copies of him

Praise the Lord for His mercy and grace
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Birds of a feather flock with the Duggars. And the McVeighs. And the Dears. And the Roofs. and all the others who see god-in-the-tiny-box as the OT WAR god who punishes the different, who oppresses the marginalized and preaches a new prosperity gospel based on works because LOVE is weak and causes people to STEP ON YOU.
Seems I will have to moderate my own thread.

Read the header.
Law and the prophets.

Please stay on topic.
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