The way, the truth, THE ONLY? (Leviticus, exodus, creation, virgin)
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Love concerns itself with the well-being of others, even unto death.
And Christ came to show us the way!
It's not a matter of articulation, but one of comprehension. If you did not understand the narrative - don't blame me.
I understood Pleroo. I cannot understand you. Perhaps it your writing style. Ending declarative statements with a question mark, your tendency to write in poetic style, etc.
There is no question that the Jews possessed a cliquish belief system and culture. Little surprise that they would try to interpret things in that way while ignoring any evidence of a more universal and inclusive message.
Well, it is what Yeshua stated, so, how else can you take it?...Make it up as you go along?...
There is no question that the Jews possessed a cliquish belief system and culture. Little surprise that they would try to interpret things in that way while ignoring any evidence of a more universal and inclusive message.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Well, it is what Yeshua stated, so, how else can you take it?...Make it up as you go along?...
There are two issues with your take on it, Richard. One is the assumption it WAS said by Jesus. Two is the impact of the cultural context within which these writings were created. You have frequently pointed out the cultural impact when it suited you but seldom questioned the provenance.
There are two issues with your take on it, Richard. One is the assumption it WAS said by Jesus. Two is the impact of the cultural context within which these writings were created. You have frequently pointed out the cultural impact when it suited you but seldom questioned the provenance.
If it wasn't said by Jesus, then you have nothing to base your beliefs on...And, yes, I do consider provenance of things...
I understood Pleroo. I cannot understand you. Perhaps it your writing style.
Ending declarative statements with a question mark, your tendency to write in poetic style, etc.
What it boiled down to: The Penal Substitution Theory is fallacious.
And the application to the question is simply not there. You readinto itwhat you WANT to see and expect others to see those quotes the same way. Try to answer the question without quotes that don't apply.
And the application to the question is simply not there. You readinto itwhat you WANT to see and expect others to see those quotes the same way. Try to answer the question without quotes that don't apply.
And the application to the question is simply not there. You readinto itwhat you WANT to see and expect others to see those quotes the same way. Try to answer the question without quotes that don't apply.
Precisely. Jimmie, you are quoting bible verses that, based on your understanding of them, simply reiterate that you believe God's holiness demands that people must believe the mechanism (Jesus' suffering and death) by which God supposedly forgives or else God's holiness is no longer satisfied, rendering God incapable of forgiving them.
I'm asking you to actually examine that belief. Then explain how it makes sense.
If it wasn't said by Jesus, then you have nothing to
base your beliefs on...
Richard...you can not possibly believe Jesus had time to say everything?
So, if he didn't say it there is no basis for more and deeper beliefs?
(And mind you...they left out tons!
They had to.... there were no tape recorders...it was from memory...and
he spoke many things around the campfire to his disciples he never would
say to the crowds! Those weren't found in the 'accepted' gospels.)
He even said himself (*note the extraordinary scene, his last supper!*) I have so much more to tell you but you can not bare (grasp) them now....
depending on the translation or version.
(John something, 16?)
There is so much more the Holy Spirit would teach us..he said that somewhere, also.
Richard....
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