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Old 07-30-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:34 AM
 
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There is nothing wrong with agape love, the problem comes when you try to play it out against Gods Word, Gods Righteousness and Holiness, and our sinfulness by nature.

Those facts as revealed in the Bible, only increase the majesty of Gods agape love. If we should deserve Gods love, then we'd only get what's coming to us.. but His love is manifested in that while we were still sinners, Jesus Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Old 07-31-2016, 05:31 AM
 
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There is nothing wrong with agape love, the problem comes when you try to play it out against Gods Word, Gods Righteousness and Holiness, and our sinfulness by nature.

Those facts as revealed in the Bible, only increase the majesty of Gods agape love. If we should deserve Gods love, then we'd only get what's coming to us.. but His love is manifested in that while we were still sinners, Jesus Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
God could never be righteous or holy if he is not love. There is also nothing wrong with the bible unless it contradicts his love. These facts are in your bible, we can do or be nothing unless we abide in his love.
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:34 AM
 
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It is a question of your choice of guide, the one Jesus promised or the book that promise was recorded in. Making that book infallible denies the guide Jesus promised.
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:43 AM
 
Location: New England
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It is a question of your choice of guide, the one Jesus promised or the book that promise was recorded in. Making that book infallible denies the guide Jesus promised.
Yes, you just have to ask yourself what did Christ actually promise .... Himself or a book?. Then you then have to ask yourself which 2 of the following 3 .......His Father, His teachings or the bible did he lay emphasis on. Everything points to me that if you seek God with all your heart you will find. For the moment we make that first step God becomes closer and begins to become a reality in our lives. A reality of our own that we do not force on anyone else because God meets us all in our own particular journey.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is nothing wrong with agape love, the problem comes when you try to play it out against Gods Word, Gods Righteousness and Holiness, and our sinfulness by nature.

Those facts as revealed in the Bible, only increase the majesty of Gods agape love. If we should deserve Gods love, then we'd only get what's coming to us.. but His love is manifested in that while we were still sinners, Jesus Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It is an attempt to replace 'the way' with something else.

Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: New England
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It is an attempt to replace 'the way' with something else.

Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Yes, bible fundamentalist for the longest time have been attempting to do this by replacing Christ and "The Way" with the bible.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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There is nothing wrong with agape love, the problem comes when you try to play it out against Gods Word, Gods Righteousness and Holiness, and our sinfulness by nature.

Those facts as revealed in the Bible, only increase the majesty of Gods agape love. If we should deserve Gods love, then we'd only get what's coming to us.. but His love is manifested in that while we were still sinners, Jesus Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
The only problem here is your confusion of "the Word" with the Bible, and your attempt to indicate that the other things you say about God's love can only be if that is true. This is not the case. And it is only YOUR perceptions of what "Gods righteousness and holiness" mean that casue difficulty with recognizing agape for what it is.

You worship a God of power and separation. "God IS love" someone said.
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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It is an attempt to replace 'the way' with something else.

Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Amen, Finn !

1“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
9 I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.John 10:1,9-10

Yes, they do not enter the door (Christ), but climb up some other way which they believe it is the agape love way !
Their message is centered on this love philosophy they worship rather then Jesus Christ, and Him being the way to the Father . For if they believe Christ is the only way He would be front and center of every conversation but their always talking about and trying to prove their philosophy of agape love rather then the teachings that, "Christ is the only Way ."

The message they bring is only to steal, kill and destroy the work of God in the lives of those who believe and follow Christ !
There is just enough of the teaching of Christ in their message to lead ppl astray and try and deceive by taking the focus off of Christ and Him crucified by which they deny that He came and died shedding His blood on a cross for them and the whole worlds sins.

Their false teaching is basically focused on this agape love philosophy and that the way of Christ is not found in the cross and all that is written within the Bible is false and telling ppl they are wrong by listening and obeying the written word, the Holy Scripture of God, and that they worship it the Bible rather then Christ .

They are nothing but wolves in sheep clothing !

Amen,
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: New England
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Even the door is dripping in love. You fundies never seem to amaze me. Unless you are wanting folk to feel bad about what you assume is sin, doing your best to have folk confessing the bible to be inerrant and warning folk to seek God anywhere other than in the bible... You're not happy. Many of us have been saved from that.
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