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Old 06-09-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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I addressed your first point in my third paragraph.

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Jesus was always the conduit to God. His redemptive work on the cross is what makes us righteous before God. Without Jesus, you will have to face judgement on your own works. God says none of us are "good enough" on our own. We all "miss the mark". Surely you can see that. All humans fail at some point.

Jesus is the only perfect person. When we place our faith in His redemptive work, we are given His righteousness, which allows us to be united with our holy Creator.

Anyone who earnestly seeks God will be given the revelation of Christ. People of all other religions are being saved every day. Christian missionaries have access to almost every land.

Don't trust me. If you genuinely want to know about Christ, read the gospels. Read Romans and 1 John. Please don't trust anyone here, especially Mystic! He's way off in left field! He dismisses half the words of Christ as untrue!

*I don't mean to insult your intelligence. Perhaps you've made your decision already. My best to you.

A Hindu seeking god, no matter how earnest, is not going to somehow 'be given the revelation of Christ'.
I'm sure many Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists and so on are all very confident in their 'quests to seek god' and have no need of being 'saved' by the Jesus story.

'Almost every land' is not 'every' land.
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What are your thoughts on this please
Anyone who believes in the Son is saved.
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Old 06-09-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Anyone who believes in the Son is saved.
Only fundies need saving.

The rest of the planet is fine.
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that Adam and Eve and Noah's family had heard of Jesus and knew he was their savior? That's big news to me. I was never taught that, even growing up in a fundamentalist Lutheran sect.
The "doctrine of demons" belief that the Bible is the 100% word of God is responsible for many corruptions and absurdities in the mainstream fundamentalist Christian dogma, Freak.
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Anyone who believes in the Son is saved.
You keep inserting the "in" in those verses and that is why you are misled. There is no magic beliefs we must have other than to believe Jesus and have faith that He did what He says He did - Save us. Either He did or He didn't. That is where the faith comes in. All the nonsense about which beliefs to accept are born of the churches fighting for membership and a reason to exist.
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Old 06-10-2016, 04:43 AM
 
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You keep inserting the "in" in those verses and that is why you are misled. There is no magic beliefs we must have other than to believe Jesus and have faith that He did what He says He did - Save us. Either He did or He didn't. That is where the faith comes in. All the nonsense about which beliefs to accept are born of the churches fighting for membership and a reason to exist.
Ah, so we don't have to believe anything, except what I just said. Got it
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Speaking against Jesus


Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.


Luke 18
Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19“Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.’”…{You KNOW the Commandments, GO, DO!}




You can decide not to keep the commandments and even teach other men to despise them and not to keep them AND STILL be the least in the kingdom.


Matthew 5
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


But there is a difference between the higher Zoe Kingdom and just being the least in the kingdom with your salvation.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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You keep inserting the "in" in those verses and that is why you are misled. There is no magic beliefs we must have other than to believe Jesus and have faith that He did what He says He did - Save us. Either He did or He didn't. That is where the faith comes in. All the nonsense about which beliefs to accept are born of the churches fighting for membership and a reason to exist.
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Ah, so we don't have to believe anything, except what I just said. Got it
You can believe anything you wish as long as you believe Jesus did what He says He did and follow His instructions to His disciples to love God and each other.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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You can believe anything you wish as long as you believe Jesus did what He says He did and follow His instructions to His disciples to love God and each other.
And if you don't?
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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And if you don't?
Every single selfish negative hurt or harm you caused to others, whether or not deliberately or knowingly, you will have to experience from their perspective after your death.
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