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In post #776 you said and I quote, "We find Jesus in the Father." That implies that you know the Father first and He is showing you Jesus. Now, that having been pointed out as backwards, you've suddenly changed your stand. The last sentence is ridiculous. Peace
Of cause we find Jesus in the Father because that is where he abode. Do you not see that he is the Light of the Father. Do you deny what Jesus said to Philip, that in response to him asking him to show the Father, "if you have seen me you have seen the Father"?. In other words if you want to know what God is, just take a ganders at me. Which is an offense to bible fundamentalists because you identify God with the description of those who saw him from afar off.
YOU are the one who ignores everything Jesus represented, lived, taught, died and demonstrated and accuse us of not seeing Him????!!! What hubris! YOU do NOT know the Father because you do NOT know Jesus.
No, I ignore everything you present about the Son whom you do not know personally. Peace
Of cause we find Jesus in the Father because that is where he abode. Do you not see that he is the Light of the Father. Do you deny what Jesus said to Philip, that in response to him asking him to show the Father, "if you have seen me you have seen the Father"?. In other words if you want to know what God is, just take a ganders at me. Which is an offense to bible fundamentalists because you identify God with the description of those who saw him from afar off.
I will give you a clue it begins with F. He(Jesus Christ) not the bible is the exact representation of ALL that God IS. If you cannot see and understand this, the gross darkness that you are in, is worse than i suspected.
How many times do you have to be told that it has nothing to do with what "looks bad" to us. We use the descriptions of the Holy Spirit of agape that Jesus described in detail!! Anything that is NOT compatible or consistent with the characteristics of the Holy Spirit of agape love can NOT BE from God or Jesus, period. That is what is discarded. It has nothing to do with what looks bad to us.
They do NOT know the Spirit, ignore the detailed descriptions of Jesus, and ignore His unambiguous demonstration of them in favor of their blood sacrifice to appease a wrathful and vengeful God. It is a sad, sad travesty of ancient ignorance retained in the 21st century.
YOU are the one who ignores everything Jesus represented, lived, taught, died and demonstrated and accuse us of not seeing Him????!!! What hubris! YOU do NOT know the Father because you do NOT know Jesus.
Amen and Amen, pcamps.!!!
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
No, I ignore everything you present about the Son whom you do not know personally. Peace
Odd that the consciousness I encountered in deep meditation matched perfectly the descriptions in your Bible of the "mind of Christ" and the Holy Spirit of agape love (Who IS God). He erased my atheism instantly yet you insist I did NOT meet Him or know Him. I can only wonder who or what is the source of whatever Spirit YOU encountered that is so opposite!
I will give you a clue it begins with F. He(Jesus Christ) not the bible is the exact representation of ALL that God IS. If you cannot see and understand this, the gross darkness that you are in, is worse than i suspected.
So then, the flesh and blood man that was standing there, that was the Father to you, then? Peace
Odd that the consciousness I encountered in deep meditation matched perfectly the descriptions in your Bible of the "mind of Christ" and the Holy Spirit of agape love (Who IS God). He erased my atheism instantly yet you insist I did NOT meet Him or know Him. I can only wonder who or what is the source of whatever Spirit YOU encountered that is so opposite!
By your own words, you said you've not been born from above, that it has to happen when you physically die, yes? Peace
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