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Um...yes. According to the Bible. Exodus says God hardened his heart...but that was not the first time Pharaoh sinned, nor did he need his heart hardened to sin against God. It's how we are born -- sinners in rebellion to God.
the only thing we are born is ignorant. And certainly "rebellion" is confused with 'needy" or totally "self serving".
The site you originally quoted from offers a course on kabbalah 101, so I'm assuming the ideas presented on that site are rooted in kabbalist thought. You quote that site to bolster your position, but you don't embrace kabbalist ideas. Okay.
Once again, the motive of your heart is not to LEARN, but to try to discredit the poster in some way.
Kabbalah is from ancient Jewish mysticism. This is a far cry from the professors whose study I showed you an article about. Just because the Jewish site ALSO has some Kabbalah things on it, does not make me a Kabbalah follower anymore than finding the belief in the virgin birth on a Christian site necessarily makes them a Catholic site. The Bible codes are for anyone who wants to use them or see them, and that doesn't mean they endorse or follow Kabbalah, and neither do I.
Again, what you should be focusing on, is there are two important points to consider from this information. One, the idea of free will, and two, the idea that He wrote every word of the Torah and it has survived intact. The stats are off the charts on the finding of 18 old dead Rabbi's names from centuries past, along with their birth dates and the dates of their deaths, all in close proximity to one another in the codes. Since the code is an ELS code based on numbers, this means that if even ONE LETTER was off, the codes would not work, and clearly that is not the case.
If you know how the scribes worked, they would write one page at a time, and if even one small mistake was made, they threw away the whole sheet and even burned it, so zealous they were over the holy writings. They also knew how many letters should be on each line and each page, so they counted them several times when finished.
Thirty one years ago, all it took for me to believe was looking up the names of the people, places and things in there. The idea that it was somehow chance over thousands of years that all these people and places had names that denoted spiritual attributes in relation to what they did in their lives, was simply not possible to a rational mind. Today there is much more information available than ever before, so I'm incredulous that I even have to have the kinds of conversations on this board that I do. Peace
Once again, the motive of your heart is not to LEARN, but to try to discredit the poster in some way.
Now, why would you assume that? I enjoyed reading and learning about kabbalah, and will continue reading about it as long as it holds my interest.
And, discredit you based on your association to kabbalah? No. As I said, I don't understand what your issue is with acknowledging that association. You obviously share some beliefs with them. What's the big deal? I was surprised because I've read that kabbalah has some connection to the New Age movement (whether or not Kabbalists would agree with that, I don't know) and I know that some biblical inerrantists (which I know that you are) use the term "New Age" as if it's one of the lowest forms of condemnation and do everything to distance themselves from it. So, yeah, at first I was surprised to think you might be one, and I accepted it when you said you were not one. But there is obviously some common ground there. I don't have the issues with New Agers that you perhaps do, though, so I don't think it's a big deal.
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Kabbalah is from ancient Jewish mysticism. This is a far cry from the professors whose study I showed you an article about. Just because the Jewish site ALSO has some Kabbalah things on it, does not make me a Kabbalah follower anymore than finding the belief in the virgin birth on a Christian site necessarily makes them a Catholic site. The Bible codes are for anyone who wants to use them or see them, and that doesn't mean they endorse or follow Kabbalah, and neither do I.
Again, what you should be focusing on, is there are two important points to consider from this information.
No, please understand that you don't get to determine for me what I "should" be focusing on.
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One, the idea of free will, and two, the idea that He wrote every word of the Torah and it has survived intact. The stats are off the charts on the finding of 18 old dead Rabbi's names from centuries past, along with their birth dates and the dates of their deaths, all in close proximity to one another in the codes. Since the code is an ELS code based on numbers, this means that if even ONE LETTER was off, the codes would not work, and clearly that is not the case.
If you know how the scribes worked, they would write one page at a time, and if even one small mistake was made, they threw away the whole sheet and even burned it, so zealous they were over the holy writings. They also knew how many letters should be on each line and each page, so they counted them several times when finished.
Thirty one years ago, all it took for me to believe was looking up the names of the people, places and things in there. The idea that it was somehow chance over thousands of years that all these people and places had names that denoted spiritual attributes in relation to what they did in their lives, was simply not possible to a rational mind. Today there is much more information available than ever before, so I'm incredulous that I even have to have the kinds of conversations on this board that I do. Peace
Hidden codes are a curious thing ... people find them all the time, but it seems to be all about personal perception and what one wants to see.
Conclusion
The promoters of hidden-message claims say, “How could such amazing coincidences be the product of random chance?” I think the real question should be, “How could such coincidences not be the inevitable product of a huge sequence of trials on a large, essentially random database?”
Once I learned how to navigate in puzzle-space, finding “incredible” predictions became a routine affair.
Once again, the motive of your heart is not to LEARN, but to try to discredit the poster in some way.
Kabbalah is from ancient Jewish mysticism. This is a far cry from the professors whose study I showed you an article about. Just because the Jewish site ALSO has some Kabbalah things on it, does not make me a Kabbalah follower anymore than finding the belief in the virgin birth on a Christian site necessarily makes them a Catholic site. The Bible codes are for anyone who wants to use them or see them, and that doesn't mean they endorse or follow Kabbalah, and neither do I.
Again, what you should be focusing on, is there are two important points to consider from this information. One, the idea of free will, and two, the idea that He wrote every word of the Torah and it has survived intact. The stats are off the charts on the finding of 18 old dead Rabbi's names from centuries past, along with their birth dates and the dates of their deaths, all in close proximity to one another in the codes. Since the code is an ELS code based on numbers, this means that if even ONE LETTER was off, the codes would not work, and clearly that is not the case.
If you know how the scribes worked, they would write one page at a time, and if even one small mistake was made, they threw away the whole sheet and even burned it, so zealous they were over the holy writings. They also knew how many letters should be on each line and each page, so they counted them several times when finished.
Thirty one years ago, all it took for me to believe was looking up the names of the people, places and things in there. The idea that it was somehow chance over thousands of years that all these people and places had names that denoted spiritual attributes in relation to what they did in their lives, was simply not possible to a rational mind. Today there is much more information available than ever before, so I'm incredulous that I even have to have the kinds of conversations on this board that I do. Peace
I have little to worry about, Rbbi. I am not one of the fools who hate knowledge. You would have saved us a lot of posting back and forth if you had simply said you and Hannibal and pinacled were kabbalists.
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WHAT??? Are you telling me THAT'S all you took away from this article, you who don't hate knowledge? I am NOT a Kabbalist and I seriously doubt either of them are, too. Peace
No, Rbbi, that is NOT all I took away from it, but it does explain many things. I would not simplify your views. But I am familiar with the numerical search for repetitions of the Aleph-Bet and the attempt to attach prophetic meaning to them. (It is complicated by the fact that some characters have duplicate representations.) I place no more faith in such things than I do in Gematria. We are a supremely talented pattern-recognition species and can see all manner of things where nothing actually is. That is why I only use the after-the-fact prophecies that tie to actual societal impacts of Jesus the Christ on the spiritual evolution of our understanding of God and its impact on human history.
Conclusion
The promoters of hidden-message claims say, “How could such amazing coincidences be the product of random chance?” I think the real question should be, “How could such coincidences not be the inevitable product of a huge sequence of trials on a large, essentially random database?”
Once I learned how to navigate in puzzle-space, finding “incredible” predictions became a routine affair.
Just the mockers and scorners of the word, every truth has it's detractors. Regardless of what they may say, they can't explain away the statistical probability of what the Jewish researchers found. Peace
That's true, unless you stumble across something that hasn't happened yet. But the point is, if you read the article the Torah codes prove that He has a plan, and dare I say it, HE WROTE THE BOOKS. My own name is in the Torah codes twice. Peace
And that explains a lot more, also.
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