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Old 04-21-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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I am not the serpent or the adversary, therefore I will not speculate. I will leave that to others with a better knowledge of him.
That's rich...
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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Now if you were the serpent trying to screw up yahweh's eternal plan, wouldn't make sense to have them both eat from the tree of life first?
No, because then they wouldn't have been able to sin, just as He wasn't able to sin. You are what you eat. Peace
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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I believe they were created to be immortal.
What leads you to believe this?...Considering nothing to that effect is implied and, in fact, the opposite is implied in the text...

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Death (both spiritual and physical) was part of the penalty.
Again, nothing in the text implies this...
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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No, because then they wouldn't have been able to sin, just as He wasn't able to sin. You are what you eat. Peace
Do what?...
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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That's rich...
You want to speak for the adversary - go right ahead. I will gladly step aside.

In the end, it doesn't matter because it didn't happen.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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What leads you to believe this?...Considering nothing to that effect is implied and, in fact, the opposite is implied in the text...
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Again, nothing in the text implies this...
Gen 3:19 - By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

What does it mean to return to the dust? Physical death.

Spiritual death is separation from God.

Both took place.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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What text?

Genesis?...





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Gen 3:19 - By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

What does it mean to return to the dust? Physical death.

Spiritual death is separation from God.

Both took place.
Odd that they still comuned with G-d...How is that?...
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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You want to speak for the adversary - go right ahead. I will gladly step aside.

In the end, it doesn't matter because it didn't happen.
You seem to speak for him fine on your own...
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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Now if you were the serpent trying to screw up yahweh's eternal plan, wouldn't make sense to have them both eat from the tree of life first?
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No, because then they wouldn't have been able to sin, just as He wasn't able to sin. You are what you eat. Peace
Okay, you need to unpack that for me. Bring it to a heathen level please. My eternal existence might be on the line here.

P.S. how long till I get to levitate?
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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You seem to speak for him fine on your own...
Constructive discussion just ended...
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