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No jimmie, you are interpreting holiness and justice through the mindset of a fundamentalist. The wages of sin being death is not justice being served by a holy God. That scripture is saying nothing of the sort.
Sin rewards you with death, that does not mean God is executing justice on you because he is holy, it means whatever you serve rewards you. It is not an evangelical message about avoiding the justice of God and being saved from the eternal hell you believe in.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death . In other words those things(sin) produce death(unrighteousness). The fruit of righteousness is life
In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
And the fruit of sin is death. You're saying nothing here that contradicts what I posted. You're just leaving out half the story. You believe half of John 3:16.
" Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned
already....
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them." ~ Jesus
there is no truth in\from anybody who rationalizes that a one is condemned to a place that doesn't exist or to some temporary dross removal.
Ok, before you believed condemnation and wrath was on you right ?, what did it feel like being under condemnation and wrath ?.
Going from post #7, my answer is none. Everyone, spiritual or not, will die.
Despite my being a fairly recent convert to agnostic/atheist, I will give my answer as was a Christian. No one, goes to an eternal lake of fire. Biblically, the saved are saved from eternal death, but not physical death(with exception to those who might see a post rapture).
Well you must be among those with a reading and comprehension problem because the Bible couldn't be more clear on the subject.......Gods justice at work.....those who don't want to be with Him won't be......
Revelation 20:14
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Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:10
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And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 21:8
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"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Revelation 20:15
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And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
This was not created for us but the devil and his followers.........
The good news is no one does go there, it doesnt exist.
Ah a trip down that long river in Egypt DE-Nile......wide is the way to destruction and tons of people will agree with you....no doubt.........but that doesn't make it true........
Grace and peace....Jesus has been long suffering and patient with me....let's hope He does the same for you....
Ah a trip down that long river in Egypt DE-Nile......wide is the way to destruction and tons of people will agree with you....no doubt.........but that doesn't make it true........
Grace and peace....Jesus has been long suffering and patient with me....let's hope He does the same for you....
Now that is an odd thing to say when at this point in time, considering it is the few not the many that walk the way that none are lost. Yet a time will come when all will come into the knowledge of the great reality that God is able to excute and accomplish his will, and save all from a life without the knowledge of him in their world.
" Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned
already....
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them." ~ Jesus
only a demonic spirit mocks away what Jesus said about being cursed to eternal hell (Matthew 25) with rationalizations like: Good news, that doesn't exist, ... it's temporary dross removal ...... saved from what ?? "
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Ok, before you believed condemnation and wrath was on you right ?, what did it feel like being under condemnation and wrath ?.
Not only does eternal condemnation in hell await for the unbeliever, God clearly states that there is going to be degrees of severity of punishment in hell.
"It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their back..."
Or as Jesus explained the parable:
(more severe) “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
(less severe) But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows." ~ Jesus
Not only does eternal condemnation in hell await for the unbeliever, God clearly states that there is going to be degrees of severity of punishment in hell.
"It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their back..."
Or as Jesus explained the parable:
(more severe) “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
(less severe) But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows." ~ Jesus
So the wrath and condemnation didn't feel that bad then when you was an unbeliever?.
Ah a trip down that long river in Egypt DE-Nile......wide is the way to destruction and tons of people will agree with you....no doubt.........but that doesn't make it true........
Grace and peace....Jesus has been long suffering and patient with me....let's hope He does the same for you....
Jesus is no longer suffering or needing of patience with me--I AM FORGIVEN and that which was OLD has been forgotten...
No jimmie, you are interpreting holiness and justice through the mindset of a fundamentalist. The wages of sin being death is not justice being served by a holy God. That scripture is saying nothing of the sort.
Sin rewards you with death, that does not mean God is executing justice on you because he is holy, it means whatever you serve rewards you. It is not an evangelical message about avoiding the justice of God and being saved from the eternal hell you believe in.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death . In other words those things(sin) produce death(unrighteousness). The fruit of righteousness is life
In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
Correct but unfortunately many do not know what makes a soul righteous.
"All those who do good to the resurrection of life."
"No one is good but God alone."
"It is impossible for man to be saved but everything is possible for god."
"The words of the Lord are upright and all His works are truthful He loves justice and right."
Correct but unfortunately many do not know what makes a soul righteous.
[b][i]"All those who do good to the resurrection of life."
Well, let's just say this, believing yourself and others to be unrighteous filthy rags to become righteous(or words to that effect) is pasted on many a bill board on the broad highway of destruction.
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