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John 10:9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
I have always thought that Jesus was talking about here and now and sort of casting a little bit of cold water on the idea that it's all about "the hereafter."
Notice the difference in John 5:39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.
Yes, it is pointing out the fallacy of looking for eternal life in a book, but is it also saying "hey, it's about what you get from LIFE NOW?
The current thread on what you get from religion is interesting in that regard. My personal feeling is that if you are not getting a sense of purpose and fulfillment you are wasting your time and effort, for BOTH now and eternity.
assume you are referring to John 10:10 and the comparison/contrast to the previous verses where He compares Himself to those who come to "steal and kill". IMHO, this is at least to some degree concerns that Christ who terms Himself "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6) wants to turn and transform people away from those beliefs and acts (pride, selfishness, greed, anger, lust, gluttony, lack of love and forgiveness, etc. ,etc.---all the cool stuff, LOL) that people can use to be both physically and spiritually hurtful to others and ultimately to themselves destroying/killing whatever is good in our lives and in others. OTOH, Christ teaches love, self-sacrifice, forgiveness, meekness of heart which instead heals others and gives us a better, more truly "abundant" life for both the individual and the world/society he or she is part of when we indeed "do unto others as we would have them do unto us".
Just that...how would you personally interpret His meaning?
You can take the verses before and after...didn't mean to take it out of context.
Been there, done that and got the wrath!!
Thanks
Feeling good and enjoying this life.
I spent a lot of time as a Christian feeling bad. Some Christians say we shouldn't trust our emotions, and they aren't important, and we shouldn't pay attention to them when it comes to ascertaining truth, and mocking a different belief than their own as "feel-good" as if feeling good is a bad thing, etc. And yet their own bible tells them that emotions are extremely important. Why else would there be so many instances of a message of "fear not"? And why else is there a promise of joy and peace in connection to faith?
Loving God feels good. Loving others feels good. Loving self feels good. Being grateful feels good. Thinking about things that are noble and just and lovely and admirable, feels good. Having patience, being gentle and kind, serving others, forgiving, giving, having integrity, having self-control, being happy for the good things that come to others -- it all feels good. It's enjoyable. It's abundant life.
I spent a lot of time as a Christian feeling bad. Some Christians say we shouldn't trust our emotions, and they aren't important, and we shouldn't pay attention to them when it comes to ascertaining truth, and mocking a different belief than their own as "feel-good" as if feeling good is a bad thing, etc. And yet their own bible tells them that emotions are extremely important. Why else would there be so many instances of a message of "fear not"? And why else is there a promise of joy and peace in connection to faith?
Loving God feels good. Loving others feels good. Loving self feels good. Being grateful feels good. Thinking about things that are noble and just and lovely and admirable, feels good. Having patience, being gentle and kind, serving others, forgiving, giving, having integrity, having self-control, being happy for the good things that come to others -- it all feels good. It's enjoyable. It's abundant life.
true.
its possible that when someone is pointing out emotion as dangerous., it may be because a person has begun to cling to emotion without judgement and have become complacent in their own thoughts. forgetting to be vigilant of the enemy that sows is not a good place to be.
there is a distinction to discern. Look at how easy it is for the youth of the world to be swayed into dressing and conforming to the desires of something that has no place in determining their well being.
this is the lust of the flesh that needs to be overcomed. yet many without guidance and or a counselor to bring them into their own have been severely wounded.
Many attempt to create their own identity only to be overtaken by the enemy who would only steal such for profit and gain.
its possible that when someone is pointing out emotion as dangerous., it may be because a person has begun to cling to emotion without judgement and have become complacent in their own thoughts. forgetting to be vigilant of the enemy that sows is not a good place to be.
there is a distinction to discern. Look at how easy it is for the youth of the world to be swayed into dressing and conforming to the desires of something that has no place in determining their well being.
this is the lust of the flesh that needs to be overcomed. yet many without guidance and or a counselor to bring them into their own have been severely wounded.
Many attempt to create their own identity only to be overtaken by the enemy who would only steal such for profit and gain.
This sounds like a post founded on fear of the enemy rather than trust in God.
Only the person in question can determine whether or not something is serving them well and is good for them. Encourage them to trust their own guidance system (God's spirit within them).
John 10:9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
I have always thought that Jesus was talking about here and now and sort of casting a little bit of cold water on the idea that it's all about "the hereafter."
Notice the difference in John 5:39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.
Yes, it is pointing out the fallacy of looking for eternal life in a book, but is it also saying "hey, it's about what you get from LIFE NOW?
The current thread on what you get from religion is interesting in that regard. My personal feeling is that if you are not getting a sense of purpose and fulfillment you are wasting your time and effort, for BOTH now and eternity.
The fallacy is yours. Jesus in fact was pointing to Scriptures for life when he stated: "These are the very wordsthat testify about Me yet you refuse to come to Me to have life"
This sounds like a post founded on fear of the enemy rather than trust in God.
Only the person in question can determine whether or not something is serving them well and is good for them. Encourage them to trust their own guidance system (God's spirit within them).
A Good Sabbath
Without a foundation, trust in what ever a person builds will be tested and or destroyed.
There is only One that has seen the Father and served the Fathers will perfectly.
And if there is no foundation ?
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Luke(disciple A Good Sabbath A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Matthew(disciple A Good Sabbath Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
([24]) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Now,
Compare what was stated by the said, 'chris kid'. To what the Master has Taught. test the spirits.
If you like i could further explain.
Yet at this hr should i really have to.
hard hearts i doubt would even produce anything other that dust.
This sounds like a post founded on fear of the enemy rather than trust in God.
Only the person in question can determine whether or not something is serving them well and is good for them. Encourage them to trust their own guidance system (God's spirit within them).
Which nowhere does Jesus the love man \ God who IS love says any such thing: Encourage them to trust their own guidance system.
its possible that when someone is pointing out emotion as dangerous., it may be because a person has begun to cling to emotion without judgement and have become complacent in their own thoughts. forgetting to be vigilant of the enemy that sows is not a good place to be.
there is a distinction to discern. Look at how easy it is for the youth of the world to be swayed into dressing and conforming to the desires of something that has no place in determining their well being.
this is the lust of the flesh that needs to be overcomed. yet many without guidance and or a counselor to bring them into their own have been severely wounded.
Many attempt to create their own identity only to be overtaken by the enemy who would only steal such for profit and gain.
Patience That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: ()
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
So Jacob served seven years to get Rachel, but they seemed like only a few days to him because of his love for her.
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