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So much for the fundy belief of Jesus bridging the gap. What's that ? the bridge is dismantled after the last person ever to believe, believes .... It is not the preaching of cross that is foolish it is what evangelicals have done with it which is.
I don't know anything about what you are referring to in terms of fundamentalist belief, but basic Christian belief is that Christ bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth. Its the essential theology of the entire religion, across all denominations. Without that belief, its not Christianity. And it has absolutely nothing to do with literal physical immortality.
"What God is saying here is there needs to come a time when you need to rely on something other than your training wheels, he's not saying he is not in the things he created, how foolish of you to believe in a creator and say such a thing. Bring God close to yourself so much you can feel and hear the still small voice."
I don't know anything about what you are referring to in terms of fundamentalist belief, but basic Christian belief is that Christ bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth. Its the essential theology of the entire religion, across all denominations. Without that belief, its not Christianity. And it has absolutely nothing to do with literal physical immortality.
Heaven and Earth, or God and man. No one knows what the other poster was trying to say, but clearly he lacks understanding of fundamental Christian beliefs.
I don't know anything about what you are referring to in terms of fundamentalist belief, but basic Christian belief is that Christ bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth. Its the essential theology of the entire religion, across all denominations. Without that belief, its not Christianity. And it has absolutely nothing to do with literal physical immortality.
There never was a gap in the first place..... Separation from God is an illusion. Paul said, we were alienated in our minds, in other words, believing we were alienated we lived like we were separated from the source. Paul also said to those at Athens that God is that close you could feel him.
So you believe the gap is bridged until the last one believes ?.
The parable is about people. People cannot cross it.
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Who are the people in this parable that have been unable to cross-over?
So, you like jimmiej, have taken this parable literally and have applied it to an after life of fear and torment. Although Hades is merely the grave, not an underworld - you believe it is some kind of place where people suffer in pain and anguish to justify your beliefs of eternal damnation?
So, you like jimmiej, have taken this parable literally and have applied it to an after life of fear and torment. Although Hades is merely the grave, not an underworld - you believe it is some kind of place where people suffer in pain and anguish to justify your beliefs of eternal damnation?
That is one of the troubling points when those verses are spoken of. Those who believe in eternal torment take hades and make it Gehenna as if they mean the same thing and have the same purpose. Hades is NOT gehenna. Scripture tells us that hades is thrown into gehenna, so obviously they are not the same no matter what their doctrine tells them, but for whatever reason they cannot see it or refuse to see it.
So, you like jimmiej, have taken this parable literally and have applied it to an after life of fear and torment. Although Hades is merely the grave, not an underworld - you believe it is some kind of place where people suffer in pain and anguish to justify your beliefs of eternal damnation?
You associated the words pain, fear, anguish, torment and damnation to it.
One thing is clear, - it is better to be where Lazarus and Abraham were than where the rich man was. The other thing that is clear is that it was too late for the rich guy to change his situation, and the third clear thing was that the rich guy did NOT want to be where he was.
That is one of the troubling points when those verses are spoken of. Those who believe in eternal torment take hades and make it Gehenna as if they mean the same thing and have the same purpose. Hades is NOT gehenna. Scripture tells us that hades is thrown into gehenna, so obviously they are not the same no matter what their doctrine tells them, but for whatever reason they cannot see it or refuse to see it.
Hades is not gehenna, and no one claimed it was. Why do you say it is what people believe?
has anyone noticed that athiests use the word "fear" like a christians might maybe
the word murder? yet they are the ones speak about fear all the time.. do they fear fear?
and how they use "Care" like it is the words christians would say as to Love your God ?
and how they use the words Eternal torments like a christians uses the words about heaven and salvations?
and how they use their words their way and
Is anyone else started to get a picture that these people have their own 10 commandments and their own Bible. where their words are way more important to them than His words are?
like their biggest sin in this life is to fear anything ? they fear fear.. as if there is nothing bigger or more important than they are ? it seems they have yet to meet anything bigger than them or that they should fear or in way Honor it.
it is just so odd to me..
as a child I rode horses and have been kicked by a few time and stepped on lots of times.. and I will say there is things to fear in this life and getting kicked by a horse that is way bigger than you is one of them.. and there is lots more things to fear and respect ..
this last
"easter" with my husbands family .. proved to this old lady that my time for doing backflips off the diving board is over .. and I have a new found respect for hitting water at the wrong angle so as to create an image of a belly flop! and a breathtakingly epic belly flop, just to impress my grandkids... gave me a whole new found respect for the Power and authroity of water I have never had before...
Respect seems is always a good thing for old ladies to remenber.. like how that they are no long 12 years old .. and backflips well just don't happen Like they
"should" anymore.. as American are so wise in all things for those who usually are doing nothing but sit behind a computer screen and live there whole vicariously through everyone else's life and veiw their own life by remote.. .
respect and even fear the back end of a horse is a Good thing. it teaches us wisdom . and wisdom is always a good thing especially when hitting the water face , chest and belly first.... don't ever let their fear of fear stop you from learning about a good and healthy and Godly wisdom for God and respect for life..please folks..
American's 10 commandments and in their worship of the god they call LUV !
it is not from respect thus no wisdom and so it can ' not teach anything about real LIFE and certainly nothing about Love!
and certainly, they have never lived Life and never full engaged in it. it is very sad they never found anything bigger than themselves to understand respect or to even fear .
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.... It is not the preaching of cross that is foolish it is what evangelicals have done with it which is.
