Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Either one believes "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" ... or one does not. Either one believes "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" ... or one does not. (2 Tim 3:16-17 - Heb. 13:8).
Either one believes that God adjusts His Word and truth to match what each individual personally believes ... or one does not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerwade
Can you give some examples where you have been corrected?
And rebuked? Or, what you consider to be righteousness?
I see people post this verse all the time, but do they understand that it applies to them? So, can you (or anyone) give some examples where you have been corrected? And rebuked? Or, what you consider to be righteousness?
Either one believes "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" ... or one does not. Either one believes "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" ... or one does not. (2 Tim 3:16-17 - Heb. 13:8).
Either one believes that God adjusts His Word and truth to match what each individual personally believes ... or one does not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerwade
Can you give some examples where you have been corrected?
And rebuked? Or, what you consider to be righteousness?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerwade
I see people post this verse all the time, but do they understand that it applies to them? So, can you (or anyone) give some examples where you have been corrected? And rebuked? Or, what you consider to be righteousness?
Paul was writing letters to the people of Corinth who he had visited...he was not talking to me,
Miss H in 2019...tho, I can take much wisdom from things he said...as I do with Mark Twain
Aldous Huxley, William Blake or even Dr. Phil..but Mr. Twain was not talking to me, knowing my life situation.
Jesus was also talking 'to' specific people...the woman at the well, the rich guy attached to his riches, Martha slaving
while Mary was cooing into Jesus' eyes...
He wasn't talking to 'me'.
It is up to my discernment to take in any wisdom that will aid in my growth and to lead
a great life with, of course.
I do make a slight exception..I always listen to someone that has fasted 40 days in a desert ...he was talking to Mankind.
You must use your God-given brain to figure these things out, no?
'Talking to that person...talking to all posterity'.
Comments? Ha, can't wait...
I think the short answer is that it's easier to follow a list of rules than to use wisdom and discernment to evaluate scripture in its cultural context and extrapolate how it applies to us today.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jghorton
Either one believes "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" ... or one does not. Either one believes "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" ... or one does not. (2 Tim 3:16-17 - Heb. 13:8).
Either one believes that God adjusts His Word and truth to match what each individual personally believes ... or one does not.
I don't see how anything Miss H said contradicts that. Setting aside the fact that, as mentioned above, what Paul referred to as "scripture" is not what we now know as the bible, a specific story or instruction given by Jesus to a specific person can certainly be "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" without being a literal word-for-word instruction to believers living on the other side of the world two thousand years later.
For example, does Luke 18:22, alluded to in the OP, apply to all of us? Presumably if you've got a device with an internet connection to post on this thread you have not, in fact, sold all of your possessions and given the money to the poor. At least in the bible studies I've attended, we understand that there were reasons why an attachment to his riches were this particular guy's stumbling block, and the implied lesson for all of us is that keeping the commandments requires difficult sacrifices and that we all have things which hold us back from living fully into God's kingdom, hence the need for Grace.
Likewise, there are people who need to be reminded to let go of the anxieties of "keeping up appearances" like Martha; I don't believe that means we should forego ever washing the dishes or cooking dinner if we could listen to a sermon instead. Paul's instructions to fledgling churches trying not to get wiped out by the Roman Empire and exist in a way that allowed them to do ministry to those around them are useful reminders that we need to be the church in a way that allows our ministry to be fruitful to those around us, but that doesn't necessarily mean that early churches in Asia Minor and the churches in the United States today will accomplish that in the same way.
Paul was writing letters to the people of Corinth who he had visited...he was not talking to me,
Miss H in 2019...tho, I can take much wisdom from things he said...as I do with Mark Twain
Aldous Huxley, William Blake or even Dr. Phil..but Mr. Twain was not talking to me, knowing my life situation.
Jesus was also talking 'to' specific people...the woman at the well, the rich guy attached to his riches, Martha slaving
while Mary was cooing into Jesus' eyes...
He wasn't talking to 'me'.
It is up to my discernment to take in any wisdom that will aid in my growth and to lead
a great life with, of course.
I do make a slight exception..I always listen to someone that has fasted 40 days in a desert ...he was talking to Mankind.
You must use your God-given brain to figure these things out, no?
'Talking to that person...talking to all posterity'.
Comments? Ha, can't wait...
Paul was giving instruction in how the church should operate. If one considers themselves a Christian, one would do well to heed that instruction.
As for Jesus' words? The words were recorded for a reason. There is truth in them to apply. He identified himself to the woman at the well as the Messiah. We would do well to recognize that. The rich man was told that faith in God is more important than wealth, again something we'd do well to realize.
. ...without being a literal word-for-word instruction to believers living on the other side of the world two thousand years later.
For example, does Luke 18:22, alluded to in the OP, apply to all of us?
Likewise, there are people who need to be reminded to let go of the anxieties of "keeping up appearances" like Martha; I don't believe that means we should forego ever washing the dishes....
You got what I meant...thank you for explaining it so well..taking the time.
Paul was giving instruction in how the church should operate. If one considers themselves a Christian, one would do well to heed that instruction.
As for Jesus' words? The words were recorded for a reason. There is truth in them to apply. He identified himself to the woman at the well as the Messiah. We would do well to recognize that. The rich man was told that faith in God is more important than wealth, again something we'd do well to realize.
What's your point?
Paul wrote the letter to correct what he saw as erroneous views in the Corinthian church that he had founded. But I do not believe he also meant the Churches of the twenty-first century called the Baptist. How many denominations are there?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
art
...he was talking to Mankind.
