The True Good News of the Christian Gospel (incarnation, hell, punishment)
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The depressing, superstitious, magical thinking, punishment and atonement psychology that is embedded and indoctrinated into the thoughts of so many Christians was fostered under a primitive and barbaric concept of a God who needed blood sacrifices to appease His wrath. The primitive carnality of such a God and the focus on our physicality and carnality is what accounts for the continued and unnecessary conflicts and debates among Christians (eg., about Jesus's divinity, Et'ers, UR'ers, Calvinists, Fundies, etc). All Christians should be rejoicing in the unconditional love of Christ and each other NOT cowering under the "sin-conscious" eternal hell-threat in the fear-mongering "precepts and doctrines of men."
The truly Good News from Jesus is that God IS agape love NOT wrathful. The fear of God was necessary to train our primitive ancestors. It was only the beginning of wisdom - the means NOT the end. The New Covenant under Christ revealed the true goal but even that was too carnal.
1 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal:
The main point of the Gospel is that Jesus was 100% human physically, like us, and He IS now 100% Divine spiritually. That means what He achieved we have the potential to achieve and it is what we are to aspire to be with the help of His Holy Spirit (Comforter) under His perfection and grace. The point is that we are NOT undeserving mortal physical beings capable of only "filthy rags." We are much more than that. We are adopted children of God. Infant spirits who are intended to mature (frequently translated as “be perfect" in scripture) into eternal spiritual beings to join Jesus and His Father, our God.
There was never anything to atone for. The learning of good and evil was necessary. The errors (sins) and primitive misunderstandings(beliefs) fostered by our immature inborn nature were and are perfectly natural and they were unavoidable. Nothing is born fully mature either physically or spiritually. As our species evolved and matured spiritually our errors and misunderstandings just needed to be corrected. We have to stop interpreting the writings about our species’ childhood as though it were adulthood. How accurate would descriptions of your childhood actions and beliefs be if they were interpreted and recorded as though they were those of an adult?
The OT scriptures (and other exegetical and eisegetical sources) describe the spiritual evolution and learning process of our species as influenced by God's inspirations (and as interpreted by spiritually immature primitive minds). They are NOT literal historical or anthropological or scientific accounts. They spiritually describe and prophesy what ultimately would need to be achieved by ONE of us mortal humans (Jesus). It provides a record of that spiritual evolution and development and validation by prophecy that Jesus indeed fulfilled what needed to be done thereby taking the rest of us "off-the-hook." That is why God is no longer counting our sins against us.
Weird...you claim to quote the Bible but you don't actually believe it when someone quotes it to you. You literally pick and choose which verses to believe. You not only drop the OT, but you pick and choose the verses in the NT you want to believe.
The depressing, superstitious, magical thinking, punishment and atonement psychology that is embedded and indoctrinated into the thoughts of so many Christians was fostered under a primitive and barbaric concept of a God who needed blood sacrifices to appease His wrath. The primitive carnality of such a God and the focus on our physicality and carnality is what accounts for the continued and unnecessary conflicts and debates among Christians (eg., about Jesus's divinity, Et'ers, UR'ers, Calvinists, Fundies, etc). All Christians should be rejoicing in the unconditional love of Christ and each other NOT cowering under the "sin-conscious" eternal hell-threat in the fear-mongering "precepts and doctrines of men."
The truly Good News from Jesus is that God IS agape love NOT wrathful. The fear of God was necessary to train our primitive ancestors. It was only the beginning of wisdom - the means NOT the end. The New Covenant under Christ revealed the true goal but even that was too carnal.
1 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal:
The main point of the Gospel is that Jesus was 100% human physically, like us, and He IS now 100% Divine spiritually. That means what He achieved we have the potential to achieve and it is what we are to aspire to be with the help of His Holy Spirit (Comforter) under His perfection and grace. The point is that we are NOT undeserving mortal physical beings capable of only "filthy rags." We are much more than that. We are adopted children of God. Infant spirits who are intended to mature (frequently translated as “be perfect" in scripture) into eternal spiritual beings to join Jesus and His Father, our God.
There was never anything to atone for. The learning of good and evil was necessary. The errors (sins) and primitive misunderstandings(beliefs) fostered by our immature inborn nature were and are perfectly natural and they were unavoidable. Nothing is born fully mature either physically or spiritually. As our species evolved and matured spiritually our errors and misunderstandings just needed to be corrected. We have to stop interpreting the writings about our species’ childhood as though it were adulthood. How accurate would descriptions of your childhood actions and beliefs be if they were interpreted and recorded as though they were those of an adult?
The OT scriptures (and other exegetical and eisegetical sources) describe the spiritual evolution and learning process of our species as influenced by God's inspirations (and as interpreted by spiritually immature primitive minds). They are NOT literal historical or anthropological or scientific accounts. They spiritually describe and prophesy what ultimately would need to be achieved by ONE of us mortal humans (Jesus). It provides a record of that spiritual evolution and development and validation by prophecy that Jesus indeed fulfilled what needed to be done thereby taking the rest of us "off-the-hook." That is why God is no longer counting our sins against us.
Your beliefs are not Biblical. Your denial of the atonement despite the clear Biblical teaching of it shows that. Actually, your beliefs are new-age beliefs. I have to wonder if you even believe that God is a personal Being instead of an impersonal force - the unified field I think you refer to God as. That's a new-age concept.
The same Bible that says that God is love, which simply means that it is God's nature to love; (it does not mean that God is an impersonal force called love), also says that God judges, which is what the word 'wrath' refers to. God loves, but He also judges sin and evil.
And the atonement was absolutely necessary in order for God to be able to provide salvation for man.
The Bible is clear that before entering into the human race as an infant, the pre-incarnate Word always existed as God. Since the incarnation, Jesus is both eternal and infinite God as He has always been, but He is also fully human. That is the hypostatic union of Jesus - a term which you like to mock.
You also deny that a person is born again until he physically dies. That is not the teaching of the apostles. A person is born again the moment he places his faith in Christ Jesus. At that moment the Holy Spirit regenerates him and he is born again or born from above.
You also deny a physical resurrection. Again, that is not the Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches a physical bodily resurrection. The resurrection body will be a spiritual body but not an immaterial non-physical body.
I'll stick with the teachings of the apostles rather than your new-age beliefs.
Weird...you claim to quote the Bible but you don't actually believe it when someone quotes it to you. You literally pick and choose which verses to believe. You not only drop the OT, but you pick and choose the verses in the NT you want to believe.
And then you insult those that disagree with you.
As you do with thousands of denominations that claim to follow the Bible.
Weird...you claim to quote the Bible but you don't actually believe it when someone quotes it to you. You literally pick and choose which verses to believe. You not only drop the OT, but you pick and choose the verses in the NT you want to believe.
And then you insult those that disagree with you.
No, Mystic (like many of us)do not BELIEVE nor ACCEPT evangelical interpretation of scriptures...and WE challenge those who twist scriptures...just as Christ teaches us to to...
My beliefs are from the Bible but they are Christian - meaning they are from Christ.
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Your denial of the atonement despite the clear Biblical teaching of it shows that.
I do deny there ever was a need to atone for anything, but it is more of a reinterpretation of the primitive and barbaric belief in the need to appease God by blood sacrifice. However, there was a need for a human substitute for our collective failed achievements. Jesus came to do what we had not yet evolved or matured sufficiently to do.
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Actually, your beliefs are new-age beliefs. I have to wonder if you even believe that God is a personal Being instead of an impersonal force - the unified field I think you refer to God as. That's a new-age concept.
I realize your new bogeyman is some New Age nonsense but my views are Christian backed up by science which has nothing to do with anything New Age.
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The same Bible that says that God is love, which simply means that it is God's nature to love; (it does not mean that God is an impersonal force called love), also says that God judges, which is what the word 'wrath' refers to. God loves, but He also judges sin and evil.
There is nothing impersonal about love. It is real and produced within our consciousness and added to God's consciousness. It is why we exist. Your concept of a judging and wrathful God is an entirely human and primitive notion created out of fear by our ignorant ancestors. It is born of the human desire for vengeance. It has no place in love - mercy and compassion do.
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And the atonement was absolutely necessary in order for God to be able to provide salvation for man.
Preposterous. Jesus and His ability to bring God's perfect love to His human consciousness is what was needed to provide salvation for our human species, NOT some vengeful nonsense about appeasing God's wrath.
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The Bible is clear that before entering into the human race as an infant, the pre-incarnate Word always existed as God. Since the incarnation, Jesus is both eternal and infinite God as He has always been, but He is also fully human. That is the hypostatic union of Jesus - a term which you like to mock.
The Bible is not remotely clear about this created theology. This is jargon created by men ignorant of the concept of consciousness in an attempt to reconcile their flawed idea of personhood.
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You also deny that a person is born again until he physically dies. That is not the teaching of the apostles. A person is born again the moment he places his faith in Christ Jesus. At that moment the Holy Spirit regenerates him and he is born again or born from above.
This is a misinterpretation of the word "gennao" which only means birth when referring to a female. When referencing a male (Our Father God) it means conception or insemination - the beginning of the birth cycle. We develop during this physical life and are not "born again" until we die. When we love we are "born of God" (conceived by God) and we know God (in the biblical sense).
1 John 4:7 (King James Version)
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
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You also deny a physical resurrection. Again, that is not the Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches a physical bodily resurrection. The resurrection body will be a spiritual body but not an immaterial non-physical body.
No it does NOT. 1st Corinthians 15:35-58 clearly stipulates there is a corruptible natural body and there is an incorruptible spiritual body. We are resurrected with an incorruptible spiritual body. Actually, read the verse without the indoctrination of your "precepts and doctrines of men."
Weird...you claim to quote the Bible but you don't actually believe it when someone quotes it to you. You literally pick and choose which verses to believe. You not only drop the OT, but you pick and choose the verses in the NT you want to believe.
And then you insult those that disagree with you.
This maybe because some of the posters are online-evangelist. Evangelist of all stripes are known for notoriously conducting one-direction conversations, sort of like salespeople.
The cross of Christ came because the devil and the men who followed him , as God had with the cross of Christ a judgment for man ...... If people support rejecting Jesus then people by default were just the same putting Jesus on the cross and followed the devil , where when people supported Jesus and leaned on Him with faith would have salvation , and then we get the cross of Christ or another term was the blood of Jesus the same thing which to lone judgment of God for all grace that God will give .................. This is it the devil is real menace and rejecting Jesus keeps people under the devil kingdom of darkness which is a spiritual authority ...... See Jesus went around in His earthly ministry healing the sick and delivering people of the devil , and Jesus even delivered people of devils through His minister apostle Paul and even people today , and all these gifts of God today come from the lone judgment of the cross of Christ about 1986 years ago ............. When people reject the cross of Christ may be the offence with the fallen church which has no power of God
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