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That would be an issue; but I have yet to be shown how any Catholic Tradition goes against Scripture.
Again. Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was a virgin UNTIL she got married.
There is nothing in Scripture to indicate anything remotely close to the idea that Joseph and her intended for it to be a sexless marriage. He almost broke it off because he thought she'd been unfaithful--he knew that she was going to be a normal wife to him and that she had not taken some vow.
No, the opposite. It was always intended to be a chaste/continent marriage. Mary may have been a consecrated temple virgin.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
There is nothing in Scripture to suggest anything remotely close to that. On the contrary, we actually see from Scripture that Jesus had siblings.
The Catholic explanation for Jesus' alleged "siblings" has already been explained to you many times. Is it necessary to explain it to you again?
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
In any event, the Catholic church has annulled marriages that were never consummated. It's a contradiction.
It is not a contradiction because the intentions and expectations for the marriages were not the same.
If one party enters a marriage with the expectation of sexual relations, and then the other party refuses after the fact, then that is a problem. On the other hand, if both parties enter the marriage with no expectation of sexual relations but rather an expectation of continency, then there is no problem.
The Catholic explanation for Jesus' alleged "siblings" has already been explained to you many times. Is it necessary to explain it to you again?
I'm fully aware of what you choose to believe regarding it, and I know what Scripture says. And I'm aware that I won't be able to convince you as you've dug in on this.
You are your own "God" and authority though. Who do you answer to?
In principle, how are you in a better situation than a Catholic before God?
I have just God to answer to, simple and perfect.
You have your church, your priests, centuries of Catholic creations and dogmas, and who knows what other baggage thrown in.
On the scales of spirituality vs. religiosity, the purity of less outweighs the massiveness of throwing in everything possible from man, as your folk do. The more to try to add, the less substance you end up with.
I'm fully aware of what you choose to believe regarding it, and I know what Scripture says. And I'm aware that I won't be able to convince you as you've dug in on this.
We both know what Scripture says, and we both know what the other believes.
You don't see the question of Jesus' alleged "siblings" as an interpretive one?
In other words; do you think it's even possible to hold to the Catholic interpretation in good faith, or do you think Catholics are being obstinate and/or acting in bad faith?
You have your church, your priests, centuries of Catholic creations and dogmas, and who knows what other baggage thrown in.
On the scales of spirituality vs. religiosity, the purity of less outweighs the massiveness of throwing in everything possible from man, as your folk do. The more to try to add, the less substance you end up with.
We both know what Scripture says, and we both know what the other believes.
You don't see the question of Jesus' alleged "siblings" as an interpretive one?
In other words; do you think it's even possible to hold to the Catholic interpretation in good faith, or do you think Catholics are being obstinate and/or acting in bad faith?
It is not about obstinance or bad faith, just plain ignorance and superstitious nonsense. Throeau said it best, Catholics have created and added everything but the kitchen sink to make God and things of God seem more Godly, mysterious, awesome, and magical. If it makes you feel best about God to do that, all the best to you. My belief in God requires NONE of that magical nonsense.
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