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Christ founded a society that He called the Church. This society was endowed by Christ with real Authority.
That's awfully naive. Witchcraft, occultism, Voodoo/Hoodoo, Druidism, New Age spirituality; these are not spiritualities tainted by man?
Christ's "church" is of people in general; not organizations, denominations, and specialized groups that man organizes and controls. There was absolutely nothing organized in the true church of Jesus' time as a body of believers, which occurred freely, openly, and naturally. Formalized churches are an affront to God, as though man can somehow get it better or more right than what Jesus simply set up.
And awfully sad that you offended God by lumping the Holy Spirit with witchcraft, occultism, etc. No wonder why you are clueless in the ways of God. You don't have the Holy Spirit to correct you and fend off all the erroneous teachings and ways of your Catholic Church. You've allowed yourself to become a prisoner to religion, and mouthpiece for flawed men.
Last edited by Thoreau424; 09-28-2022 at 10:15 AM..
Yes. I aim to follow the whole counsel of God - the full Apostolic Tradition of which Scripture is a part. You have rejected the entirety of the Apostolic Tradition in favor of only a part of it - Scripture alone.
I understand that your system satisfies you; but when I lived it, I found it unsatisfactory and now find it untenable.
You completely ignored my point--that when we believe an organization simply because it says "believe me", we open ourselves to all sorts of things.
Again...why believe the RCC over the LDS or Watchtower? They also claim tradition and divine authority imparted by special revelation.
She is a "perpetual virgin" because she is state of purified mind.
You realize, of course, that the Catholic Church teaches that she was assumed bodily into Heaven, right? Her entire physical body as she had on earth is said to exist in Heaven. She did not die and was resurrected, or changed, according to their teachings. There was no purification according to the teaching, as they believe she was immaculately conceived without sin and that she never had to be purified.
Does that mean her marriage to Joseph was illegitimate? I've seen couples get annulments because they didn't consummate the wedding. What of Mary and Joseph?
An illegitimate child can't be born to a married couple, by definition.
Def. illegitimate - begotten outside of wedlock.
It is true that not consumating marriage is one condition for a trouble free annulment, but the lack of consumation doesn't negate the marriage process. There is no legal requirement for married couples to ever have sex.
Some trivia: a child married to a couple who were married fraudulently is still not an illegitimate child as lont as the parent believed they were married. This would cover couples who were married by a fake priest or fake Justice of the Peace, or a ship's Captain at sea. As long as the couple sought in good faith to be married and believed an authority had married them, their child is legitimate.
An illegitimate child can't be born to a married couple, by definition.
Def. illegitimate - begotten outside of wedlock.
It is true that not consumating marriage is one condition for a trouble free annulment, but the lack of consumation doesn't negate the marriage process. There is no legal requirement for married couples to ever have sex.
Some trivia: a child married to a couple who were married fraudulently is still not an illegitimate child as lont as the parent believed they were married. This would cover couples who were married by a fake priest or fake Justice of the Peace, or a ship's Captain at sea. As long as the couple sought in good faith to be married and believed an authority had married them, their child is legitimate.
No one called Jesus "illegitimate". The question is regarding the marriage. And, if they were married but chose not to consummate it, it can certainly be said that they did not seek in good faith to be married. That would have made them merely roommates.
The fact that you can't see the irony of this is astounding.
The Catholic claim that it is the very society founded by Christ is a credible one that is backed up in many different ways, including by simply following the historical line of succession.
The LDS claim to possess the restored Apostolicity is not credible.
Where do you see irony here?
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