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A fundamental question must be answered: Where did the Gospel of Jesus disappear?
God revealed to Jesus a book, which is the Gospel.
Likewise, the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him, was mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, chapter one, paragraphs 14-15:
“And after John was arrested, Jesus set out for the Galilee region, preaching the Gospel of God, saying: The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand, so repent and believe in the Gospel.”
In the Gospel of Matthew, in the fourth chapter, it says:
“Jesus was traveling throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom,” meaning calling for the Gospel. There is no doubt that none of the four Gospels is the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him, because they were not written until after his death.
So where did the Gospel go? Why did these Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) survive?
To answer this question, we must know the role of Christian councils in approving whatever beliefs they want, abolishing what they want, and confiscating and even annihilating the letters and gospels that oppose those beliefs. This explains the disappearance of not only the Gospel of Jesus, but also the disappearance of other Gospels written by his followers and disciples. ,
This is because the Christians brought what they had of these books and presented them to the Council of Nicaea - in the year 325 AD - which in turn selected these four Gospels, and ordered the destruction and burning of all the others, and from the Gospels that were known at that time.
In addition to the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him
The Gospel of Remembrance, the Gospel of James, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Barnabas, and many other Gospels, which were sentenced to death by the church, so why is it known where they are? Or what he did to her?
There's too much uncertainly about all of this early stuff, including who created the texts, and who decided for or against them, and why. This is lost to the sands of time, and we won't be able to answer the questions.
Just decide in your spirit and "heart" what is valid and what isn't, and move along...
There's too much uncertainly about all of this early stuff, including who created the texts, and who decided for or against them, and why. This is lost to the sands of time, and we won't be able to answer the questions.
Just decide in your spirit and "heart" what is valid and what isn't, and move along...
We don't even know if Adam and Eve were real, or how long it took to create the Universe, so why get hung up on these esoteric, non-productive questions (like I sometimes do)?
I often think of that verse: "Now we see through a glass darkly...."
I take that to mean that someday our questions will be answered, but not now.
It's hard if you are of a curious mind-set and want answers to bolster your beliefs. And there are not enough.
A fundamental question must be answered: Where did the Gospel of Jesus disappear?
God revealed to Jesus a book, which is the Gospel.
Likewise, the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him, was mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, chapter one, paragraphs 14-15:
“And after John was arrested, Jesus set out for the Galilee region, preaching the Gospel of God, saying: The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand, so repent and believe in the Gospel.”
In the Gospel of Matthew, in the fourth chapter, it says:
“Jesus was traveling throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom,” meaning calling for the Gospel. There is no doubt that none of the four Gospels is the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him, because they were not written until after his death.
So where did the Gospel go? Why did these Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) survive?
To answer this question, we must know the role of Christian councils in approving whatever beliefs they want, abolishing what they want, and confiscating and even annihilating the letters and gospels that oppose those beliefs. This explains the disappearance of not only the Gospel of Jesus, but also the disappearance of other Gospels written by his followers and disciples. ,
This is because the Christians brought what they had of these books and presented them to the Council of Nicaea - in the year 325 AD - which in turn selected these four Gospels, and ordered the destruction and burning of all the others, and from the Gospels that were known at that time.
In addition to the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him
The Gospel of Remembrance, the Gospel of James, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Barnabas, and many other Gospels, which were sentenced to death by the church, so why is it known where they are? Or what he did to her?
The Council of Nicaea had absolutely NOTHING to do with which books went into the NT. It was never brought up. And we know this because we know the issues (the canons) that were discussed at the Council of Nicaea. I wish that people would stop going on about things they know nothing about. And stop believing Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code, and the movie Zeitgeist.
Here are the 20 canons that were addressed at the Council of Nicea.
A fundamental question must be answered: Where did the Gospel of Jesus disappear?
God revealed to Jesus a book, which is the Gospel.
Likewise, the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him, was mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, chapter one, paragraphs 14-15:
“And after John was arrested, Jesus set out for the Galilee region, preaching the Gospel of God, saying: The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand, so repent and believe in the Gospel.”
In the Gospel of Matthew, in the fourth chapter, it says:
“Jesus was traveling throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom,” meaning calling for the Gospel. There is no doubt that none of the four Gospels is the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him, because they were not written until after his death.
So where did the Gospel go? Why did these Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) survive?
To answer this question, we must know the role of Christian councils in approving whatever beliefs they want, abolishing what they want, and confiscating and even annihilating the letters and gospels that oppose those beliefs. This explains the disappearance of not only the Gospel of Jesus, but also the disappearance of other Gospels written by his followers and disciples. ,
This is because the Christians brought what they had of these books and presented them to the Council of Nicaea - in the year 325 AD - which in turn selected these four Gospels, and ordered the destruction and burning of all the others, and from the Gospels that were known at that time.
In addition to the Gospel of Jesus, peace be upon him
The Gospel of Remembrance, the Gospel of James, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Barnabas, and many other Gospels, which were sentenced to death by the church, so why is it known where they are? Or what he did to her?
You are confusing the two meanings of gospel:
1) The teaching or revelation of Christ
2) The record of Jesus' life in the New Testament
Jesus was preaching #1. There's nothing from the context of the account that suggests he was preaching from a a literal written gospel. #1 is also the evangel or "good news" preached at any point in history. #2, as you say, is the four written gospels, which came later. Those accounts mention what Jesus taught, we know the alleged content of his teaching because the gospels document it. In fact there is no other written account and Jesus himself authored nothing either that has survived to this day or that he was alleged to have written.
You're also forgetting that there are literally dozens of gospels that didn't end up in the NT, some of which we just know of, and some of which we have partial or complete manuscripts of. Modern orthodox Christians tend to view most of those as false, but there were many competing claimed orthodoxies in the early days of the church, so the ones in the NT are the ones that represent the winning faction.
As Michael points out, it's a commonly held misbelief that the Council of Nicaea decided the canon of scripture, but that doesn't change that it was decided, at some point, by someone(s). But so what? That is how anything comes to be in human affairs.
Well its clear as day the OP is a Muslim, and its just some antiquated/fictitious beliefs that the Bible both old and new Testament were corrupted and therefor Islam is the new Bible.
First, Christians do not say "peace be upon him" because Jesus was resurrected and is returning.
The Gospel of Jesus was documented live by notes and other books written by a Historian by hundreds/thousands of eyewitness accounts. Luke wrote and investigated the eyewitness accounts from hundreds of others.
10 of the 12 disciples were not sentenced to death by the Church, but were executed by (historically well known) Kings, Emperors, or foreigners as they went out to preach about Jesus across the world. There are over 35,700 surviving manuscripts from the year 100-150AD that are exact to the words of the New Testament today, and hundreds more from the 3rd, 4th, 5th centuries. There are more surviving copies of the New Testament than any other Greco-Roman Literature out there.
Just another knife about the Islamic lie of the corruption of the Bible are the Dead Sea Scroll findings which prove that the Old Testament is identical from thousands of years ago as it is today.
Last edited by DannyHobkins; 04-30-2024 at 04:35 PM..
First, as others have said, the death of the Apostles are not a matter of opinions, but are documented historical facts. None were sentences to death by the Church.
Second, someone else corrected the information on the Council of Nicaea.
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Likewise, the Gospel of Jesus was mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, chapter one, paragraphs 14-15:
“And after John was arrested, Jesus set out for the Galilee region, preaching the Gospel of God, saying: The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand, so repent and believe in the Gospel.”
In the Gospel of Matthew, in the fourth chapter, it says:
“Jesus was traveling throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom,” meaning calling for the Gospel.
The word Gospel has more than one meaning -
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The word gospel comes from the Old English god meaning "good" and "spel" meaning "news, a story."
Noun - a doctrine that is believed to be of great importance
“Newton's writings were gospel for those who followed”
type of: doctrine, ism, philosophical system, philosophy, school of thought
a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school
In the above quotes from Mark and Matthew, gospel means an authoritative belief/instruction rather than a physical book.
People say "this is the gospel truth" instead of "I mean it" rather than it is written down. There is also the "gospel of big government" - a vague belief in big government. You can also say "a business gospel that you kept politics out of business." It's just a word with more than one meaning.
If English isn't your first language, I can see the difficulty in understanding it.
God revealed to Jesus a book, which is the Gospel.
NO! That's applying the Mohammad (and Joseph Smith ftm) agenda backwards onto Jesus - wrong!
Jesus IS The Word!
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