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View Poll Results: Do you like New York City???
Yes!! 17 68.00%
No!!! 8 32.00%
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Old 09-01-2008, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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I don't understand these two.

Anyway, are you saying we can't even like a material thing?!?!
Its not about like, or use. It is about putting it above. Lying, cheating, stealing, self seeking for mammon. Competition over another for material comforts and goods.

Read the future of NY. THe financial and trading hub of the world.

Rev 18:1 ¶ And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.


Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.


Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.


Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.


Rev 18:9 ¶ And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,


Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.


Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:


Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,


Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.


Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.


Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,


Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!


Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,


Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city!


Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.


Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.


Rev 18:21 ¶ And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.


Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:01 PM
 
Location: hopefully NYC one day :D
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So it is ok to like and seek material things as long as you put God first?

Are you saying I should not like New York because it has sinners?

How do you know New York is Babylon?

And please answer my questions directly from yourself without a huge list of Bible verses.
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:52 PM
 
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So it is ok to like and seek material things as long as you put God first?

Are you saying I should not like New York because it has sinners?

How do you know New York is Babylon?

And please answer my questions directly from yourself without a huge list of Bible verses.
I guess i was taking the word like to mean something else.

That huge list of scriptures, along with many others, describes NY to me.
What is known as the greatest city on earth?

What is the financial capital of the world?

Where does all the world look for guidance on material pursuits, it is also the advertisement, and entertainment capital, the hub of all news and networks.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:59 PM
 
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Are you saying I should not like New York because it has sinners?



Seriously now: Show June a major city, minor city, or for that matter, any town on this earth that doesn't have (what you all refer to as) "sinners." The very city you reside in now has (what you refer to as) "sinners."

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Old 09-01-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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Seriously now: Show June a major city, minor city, or for that matter, any town on this earth that doesn't have (what you all refer to as) "sinners." The very city you reside in now has (what you refer to as) "sinners."

Whaattt!?

Man, now i have to move, the chamber of Commerce said this city was a sin free zone.

i feel so ripped off.


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:32 PM
 
Location: hopefully NYC one day :D
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what did you take the word "like" to mean then?
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:43 PM
 
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the chamber of Commerce said this city was a sin free zone.

Wow. Ya might wanna keep that location under wraps!

June's guessing that that means you and she could never be neighbors, as no doubt there is a "no heathen" ordinance...

June'll cancel the movers and start unpacking...
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:44 PM
 
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what did you take the word "like" to mean then?
The spirit of (Christian forum), the focus of the population, the direction it has taken, the overall culture.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:47 PM
 
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Wow. Ya might wanna keep that location under wraps!

June's guessing that that means you and she could never be neighbors, as no doubt there is a "no heathen" ordinance...

June'll cancel the movers and start unpacking...

Well, now that i know there is sin here.....come on over.
What's one more heathen, besides it'll give the local born again movement something to do.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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How many corporations were in the Garden? That's the world God created.
So, you are saying that G-d created ONLY the Garden? As in, everything else was created by someone else? Who created Hell then?

The Garden is not the limit of Creation -- and just because there were no corporations there does not mean that the forces that bring them into being are not divine in origin. And besides, how do you know what was and what was not in the Garden? Scholars and mystics have agonized for thousands of years over what exactly was or was not in the Garden. How do you presume to know the answer? Isn't that (gasp!) pride?

Anyway, this is even besides the point -- to suggest that Creation was only the Garden, and the continents and the oceans are all man-made, is bewildering, to say the least. I'm afraid my reading of the Bible is slightly different from yours. It seems quite clear to me that G-d created everything (including Hell). What you are doing is ascribing divine powers to Man (and anti-God, the Devil), which essentially makes your faith polytheistic.

As to the pursuit of "mammon" -- I don't know if G-d is just a bearded old man sitting on a cloud and frowning on some scantily clad "sinners" enjoying a Cosmo on a Friday night, but somehow I doubt it. And if G-d is anything like I imagine him/them/it to be, then merely being poor and denying yourself joy will not get you on his/their/its good side. Asceticism, too, is a pursuit of mammon, though not necessarily a tangible one. Think about that.
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