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Old 11-25-2008, 05:13 PM
 
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This is a verbatim prayer of John Paul 2 ; im wondering how Mary acquired such Power and Influence ? Thank you :

'To you, Mother of human family and of the nations,
we confidently entrust the whole humanity,
with its hopes and fears.
Do not let it lack the light of true wisdom.
Guide its steps in the ways of peace.
Enable all to meet Christ,
the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith
and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God
and our Mother, Mary! '
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:20 PM
 
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This is a verbatim prayer of John Paul 2 ; im wondering how Mary acquired such Power and Influence ? Thank you :

'To you, Mother of human family and of the nations,
we confidently entrust the whole humanity,
with its hopes and fears.
Do not let it lack the light of true wisdom.
Guide its steps in the ways of peace.
Enable all to meet Christ,
the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith
and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God
and our Mother, Mary! '
Pope John Paul II contributed much to that. I remember when he credited Mary for saving his life after the attempted assassination but I have noticed a rift in the Catholic Church about the doctrine of Mary.

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Old 11-25-2008, 05:40 PM
 
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Pope John Paul II contributed much to that. I remember when he thanked Mary for saving his life after the attempted assassination but I have noticed a rift in the Catholic Church about the doctrine of Mary.
Do you know anything about how Mary got elevated to have these unique powers , even enabling all to be able to come to Christ as JP2 Prayer indicates ? When I read this Prayer, Im left with Mary having God-like qualities and abilities ; but surely that cant be so.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:56 PM
 
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Do you know anything about how Mary got elevated to have these unique powers , even enabling all to be able to come to Christ as JP2 Prayer indicates ? When I read this Prayer, Im left with Mary having God-like qualities and abilities ; but surely that cant be so.
Surely that is their doctrine
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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“Catholic Christianity recognizes and venerates the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Mother of God, as the exemplar of what redeemed humanity will one day be: the forerunner, the quintessential Christian and symbol of the Church itself, our Spiritual Mother and Queen of Heaven, who was spared by God’s grace the curse of death and immediately received her glorious resurrected body after her earthly sojourn had come to an end. And that’s why we and others have fulfilled the prophecy that Mary gave concerning herself."from now on, all generations will call me blessed (Luke 1:48b)

And why is she blessed?

For the Mighty One has done great things for me, and Holy is His name. (Luke 1:49)

Mary is always glorifying God the Father and Jesus, never herself, for this is her purpose and calling. All of the Marian doctrines are Christocentric. They were promulgated in the first place so that Jesus Christ would be glorified, not Mary. And this is why Catholics have venerated her above all creatures and why any Christian can indeed “relate to” and “identify with” her, because she glorifies and imitates God and that is what all serious Christians want to do (and are commanded to do) too.”

“This was God’s marvelous plan—to involve a creature and a woman at every step of the way, so as to achieve a certain –“balance”—if I may properly speak in such a way. Eve brought down the human race, acting with Adam; Mary helped to raise it, acting in concert with Jesus Christ, her Son, the second Adam (as Paul describes Him). If Satan could cause the fall of the human race through the frailty of Woman and Man, why is it not plausible that God could in turn bring about the Redemption of the human race in part through the Immaculate Conception, the Second Eve, the Theotokos? To me it makes eminent sense. It is contrary to neither Scripture nor to common sense nor reason.

“There is no necessary reason – a priori—for thinking that God couldn’t or wouldn’t have done such a thing…..Nothing in these concepts is contrary to Scripture or Tradition.”

“God clearly uses human beings as mediators. We pray for each other. Paul speaks of “having saved some” in the process of his ministry. Moses interceded and “atoned” for the Jews and God decided not to destroy them, etc.”

“….it is nothing so unbelievable or extraordinary that God chose to involve Mary in the Redemption of mankind and the distribution of graces. God can do whatever He wants!”

These quotes are taken from the book, More Biblical Evidence for Catholicism by Dave Armstrong
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:00 PM
 
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How did Mary acquire so much power? It was bestowed upon her by man.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:42 PM
 
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There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. Not Mary.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:27 PM
 
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Oh not again...
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:28 PM
 
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There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. Not Mary.
Exactly, and every Catholic knows that. People who think Catholics equate Mary with God have misunderstood and misinterpreted doctrine.
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Old 11-26-2008, 04:49 AM
 
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OK - peace already. Most Catholics don't worship Mary as God. They just know that she's - well... really cool (and blessed), that's all

So the Pope went a little overboard in one emotional little prayer...
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