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Old 12-06-2008, 09:53 AM
 
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Church of Christ or church of Christ claim to be non denominational, but is it really true, and do they answer to the government?

John 19:15 But they cried out, "Away with [Him,] away with [Him!] Crucify Him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar!"

The "One Worlders" goal was to neutralize "the church". They used this through the IRS.

Here are some requirements from the government that make up Caesar's church. Do the COC cater to this list. Do you count your money after worship service for example? Can you be sued. If no entity exists, if it is truly spiritual, then nothing can harm you.


According to this list, excerpted from a list of 30 requirements for bill 501(c) (3) Churches. Put out by the Department of Treasury Internal Revenue Service Pub 1826 (9-94) Cat. no. 21096G, churches must:

1. Be incorporated (BECOME A BUSINESS)
2. Have a recognized creed and "IRS approved form of worship."
3. Have "IRS approved code of doctrine".
4. Have ordained ministers educated in "state accredited colleges."
5. Be "neutral on political issues."
6. "Have tax exempt status issued by IRS."
7. Pastor must answer to the IRS as to "daily activities of the church."
8. The IRS must be privy to "all financial transactions" of the church.
9. Pastor must supply "names of all donors"- make books records available.
10. May only use "IRS approved" fundraising methods.
11. Pastor will be "called to account over any stand taken against the tax system."
12. Church "must advocate and support racial integration." (Multiculturalism)
13. May "not" engage in activities "opposing pornography."
14. May "not" support legislation saying "children belong to parents" rather than state."
15. May not form a Political Action Committee nor support legislation "opposing lotteries and gambling activity."
16. May not "oppose the public school system."
17. May "not publicly declare" we are to "obey God rather than the government."

Nowhere in scripture did Christ or any of the "saints" go to a "state run school" by Caesar to learn about the word of God. This tells you right now who is indoctrinating you, and other religionists. Not only COC, but other denominations, keep watching your carefully groomed televangelists. Billy Graham for example grew up with Bill Clinton.
When i read this, I was floored. I knew about the 501c3 status, but this details the "cans" and "cannots" and it is no wonder things are so messed up right now. I wondered why the church isn't making a stand on the things of God and are letting the money powers have their ways with the population. Some have made a stand, in the past, like Rod Parsley, but why ARE THEY NOT PREACHING THIS NOW, WHEN WE NEED IT MOST???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys7PKf_S8pA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx04Rqiug-g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rapm0iCzp4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVvDSnGWRBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTpP5Yaz-0o

Rev 2:4
'But I have {this} against you, that you have left your first love. 'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.

Rev 2:20
'But I have {this} against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit {acts of} immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality. 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed {of sickness,} and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Rev 3:15
'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and {that} the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Separation of Church and State seems to be a bit of a lark.


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:12 AM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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The church of Christ's first responsibility is to obey God. It's second is to obey the laws of the land, as long as they are not contrary to the laws of God.

I rather doubt if very many of the listed items are top priority with the church.
As far as I am concerned, I would not mind at all if the 'tax free' clause was removed. It would go a long ways to remove us from the government's thumb, and it would weed out the 'churches' that are for profit!

By the way...I am not afraid to declare that we are to obey God rather than the government! And I do not know of any of my brethren who are.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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I've worked with a number of 501(c)(3) public charities - churches included. Your list of items is a bit suspect. Particularly when searching the IRS website I can't find any Publication 1826.
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:56 PM
 
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I've worked with a number of 501(c)(3) public charities - churches included. Your list of items is a bit suspect. Particularly when searching the IRS website I can't find any Publication 1826.
I typed 21096G into the search engine and came up with this pamphlet on churches in particular. Interesting as a lot of the same details on the list are found here as well, but you are right about the "state accredited schools". But I am not ruling it out because page 29 is a bit suspect. But it is publication 1828 as stated in the URL, so it may be an old one, or the number was wrong.

Either way, there is no way anyone will tell me these corporations are not subjects to the governmental systems of the world. Strike 1. You cannot talk about bad legislation or endorse canidates? Strike 2. Jesus said not to serve 2 masters. Strike 3.
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