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Old 02-05-2009, 11:59 PM
 
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How about diving into Christ himself and leave Christendom out of the picture? You certainly did not met the true Christ in the JW sect. And I apologize on behalf of myself and other Christians who have not portrayed the true Christ to you either.
Amen Saintmarks. Our relationship with Christ, SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. I am not a Baptist because I believe we are the only christians truly worshipping God. My relationship with Christ is personal, and IF YOU TRUST HIM, HE THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUTH, regardless of the religion anyone is affiliated.
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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Matthew Chapt 25, starting at verse 21:

The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
It will be interesting to see how they twist this scripture to support faith alone.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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It will be interesting to see how they twist this scripture to support faith alone.
Odds are that there will be no response whatsover.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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Odds are that there will be no response whatsover.
Seems Like the case lately. In multiple threads.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:22 PM
 
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If Jesus set me free he sure has a twisted sense of humor. Why did he allow me to believe sincerely that I had the truth for 40 years? He must have known I would be highly suspicious at least, of any faith after that. If it was Jesus/God who set me free, what was the purpose? To lead me to the truth. to show me it? My release from the JWs, my only experience with God and the Bible, has led me to agnosticism..... and the more I read and ask questions on forums like this, the less inclined I am to dive back into the murky waters of Christendom to search for God.
Ringwielder, you sound like a very 'defeated' person, and for that I am very sorry. You asked:

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Why did he allow me to believe sincerely that I had the truth for 40 years?
To which I would ask. "Did you, over those 40 yrs., fully wanting and honest answer, ask God to show you if what you were believing was the truth?"

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If it was Jesus/God who set me free, what was the purpose? To lead me to the truth. to show me it?
Did God show you the truth? If the answer is yes, then He showed it to you to set you free.

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My release from the JWs, my only experience with God and the Bible, has led me to agnosticism
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my only experience with God and the Bible
I mean no offense here, please, but I must ask. Which God and which Bible?

From my dealings with JW's... their Bible (version) leads them to the wrong God. For starters His name is not Jehovah. (There is no letter 'J' in the Hebrew ).His true Hebrew name is Yahveh.

Jer 31:3 Yahveh hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee (Ringwielder) with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Please, I beseech you, don't turn from the One True God just because you feel He's let down. I will pray He reveals Himself to you in a way you cannot miss.

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the less inclined I am to dive back into the murky waters of Christendom to search for God.
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Step into His water they really aren't murky. The water of the Word will wash you white as snow.



Blessings....

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Old 02-06-2009, 04:01 PM
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If Jesus set me free he sure has a twisted sense of humor. Why did he allow me to believe sincerely that I had the truth for 40 years? He must have known I would be highly suspicious at least, of any faith after that. If it was Jesus/God who set me free, what was the purpose? To lead me to the truth. to show me it? My release from the JWs, my only experience with God and the Bible, has led me to agnosticism..... and the more I read and ask questions on forums like this, the less inclined I am to dive back into the murky waters of Christendom to search for God.
Ringwielder,

You might look here when you are ready and find some inspiration:

Articles of the Catholic Faith and the Jehovah's Witnesses

or

Religious Conversions

God bless and good luck!
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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One of the many side effects of the JW religion is that it has a way of turning its members against religion altogether, so much so, that when alot of JW's leave the religion they become Atheists.

When most people disagree with their church, they will simply find another church, but with JW's it is different. Once they leave the JW religion they are through with God and anything that has to do with formal worship.
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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One of the many side effects of the JW religion is that it has a way of turning its members against religion altogether, so much so, that when alot of JW's leave the religion they become Atheists.

When most people disagree with their church, they will simply find another church, but with JW's it is different. Once they leave the JW religion they are through with God and anything that has to do with formal worship.
Why?
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:05 PM
 
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Why?

Well Jehovah's Witnesses slowly turn their new converts against all religions. Once a person becomes baptized as a JW, they have already reached the point where they have rejected all other religions as false. If a JW then decides to leave the Watchtower, then basically they have nowhere else to go.

Some may return to their former religions, but most become Atheist or Agnostic. Quite a few also become pagan/wiccan. This is just one of many reasons, why I do everything I can, to discourage people from becoming a JW.
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:15 PM
 
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Well Jehovah's Witnesses slowly turn their new converts against all religions. Once a person becomes baptized as a JW, they have already reached the point where they have rejected all other religions as false. If a JW then decides to leave the Watchtower, then basically they have nowhere else to go.

Some may return to their former religions, but most become Atheist or Agnostic. Quite a few also become pagan/wiccan. This is just one of many reasons, why I do everything I can, to discourage people from becoming a JW.
Wow! That is really sad.

But you know what's even sadder? Christanity isn't a religion it's a 'way of life.'
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