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Matthew 15:10 Then he called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 15:11 What defiles a person is not what goes into the mouth; it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles a person.” 15:12 Then the disciples came to him and said, “Do you know that when the Pharisees heard this saying they were offended?” 15:13 And he replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 15:14 Leave them! They are blind guides. If someone who is blind leads another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”
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"The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
Harold and I have accurately quoted the words of Jesus and the apostles. So if you are having a problem, it is with the source of our quotes ...
Donna Kupp
Why do people say this, when they know a Christian has no problem with the Word of God? Obviously if someone disagrees with another, it's not the Word they have a problem with, it's a person's interpretation.
Harold and I have accurately quoted the words of Jesus and the apostles. So if you are having a problem, it is with the source of our quotes ...
"The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
Donna Kupp
I appreciate a healthy discussion on biblical topics such as this; I do however see a deeper issue than the OP stated. If having no sin means having no guilt, those with seared consciences have been given the white stone of aquittal.
I see the issue of sin as being rooted in the carnal nature of the flesh. To be free from sin is only possible by being crucified to the flesh. This is of course a work of the Holy Spirit in our lives as we take up our daily crosses.
[quote=little elmer;7405912]I appreciate a healthy discussion on biblical topics such as this; I do however see a deeper issue than the OP stated. If having no sin means having no guilt, those with seared consciences have been given the white stone of aquittal.
John's warning was that the false teachers would say that even though you commit sin you would have no guilt. That is exactly what many teach today.. If you believe in Jesus and commit sin you are not guilty in God's eyes... the blood of Christ covers you and God cannot see your sins etc.
The interesting thing is that many of those who love to quote the "if you say you have no sin" verse are speaking of themselves.
Why do people say this, when they know a Christian has no problem with the Word of God? Obviously if someone disagrees with another, it's not the Word they have a problem with, it's a person's interpretation.
Very true... and that is the whole point of studying the meaning of words and how they are used in context -
The case in point (have no sin) is a good example of people seeing what they want to see rather than the actual meaning.
As you can see from some of the responses those who commit sin have no interest in learning anything to contradict their interpretation.
Very true... and that is the whole point of studying the meaning of words and how they are used in context -
The case in point (have no sin) is a good example of people seeing what they want to see rather than the actual meaning.
As you can see from some of the responses those who commit sin have no interest in learning anything to contradict their interpretation.
HK
If I've understood you correctly in all your threads, you believe sins of ignorance are forgiven, but not willful sin? But if you take the Word literally to mean "have NO sin"...then why do you allow sins of ignorance?
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You have not accurately INTERPRETED those quotes, Donna. Literalists may be blind guides leading many into pits . . . but those who clearly have some knowledge and mislead bear a heavier burden. I wish I could just credit your motives in chastising those who DO falsely claim love and adherence to God and Jesus as they willfully reject the holy spirit in their hearts (blaspheme the holy spirit . . . which is the only unforgivable sin) and maintain a "state of mind" that is anathema to God. But your false and rigid interpretations of Jesus's love and acceptance (and your acceptance of the savage descriptions of God in the OT) makes you major stumbling blocks to the majority who are not such as those I just described. I caution you again . . . you are under a heavier burden.
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The disciple is not above his master
