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If I had one big jar of marbles, and the marbles were of various colors, sizes and designed background patterns, and dumped the whole jar on the floor, could we make some observations on it?
First, there is one jar = Creation
Second, marbles are different one from another and scattered (poured out) = Fallen
Third, The determination to gather all the spilled marbles is made. = Judgment
Fourth, in order to again save the lot, one would have to gather them all again into a the same jar that they came out of. = The effort made to gather all the marbles back into the jar made. = Payment and salvation.
Universal salvation is the spilling and the gathering of all the spilled marbles at no expense to the individual marble.
The differences amongst all the marbles is the individuality of each marble equates to one's beliefs.
The test is then, on how we apply Godly principals to life, that determines blessings or cursing and how we love our enemies, and neighbors.
Yet, still, we are as all marbles and will be gathered sooner or later by the hand of God back into the original Jar.
Blessings, AJ
Good analogy.. can I use this?
If so, I usually just say "someone once said" but if you prefer I say "AJ said to me.." then I will.. Let me know.
Wow…even though I couldn’t see or hear you physically I detected an attitude, which appeared like attacking or maybe being condescending or maybe both. Either way, I sure did read your mail in the Spirit as I bet others did as well. You speak of something that you do not know yet it doesn’t stop you from persisting. I told you I do not attach my beliefs to any doctrine yet you still persist on calling me a universalistic person. Truthfully, I have never heard of such until someone from this forum told me about it.
I am asking you to tell me what was not Gods word and explain to me what you call “Casey Hollowell” words. If I am wrong, then show me where I am wrong but don’t expect to quote scriptures and pray they land on deaf and dumb ears. I do study and yes I may have error but never have I ever expected someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit in them and not bring such fruit Galatians 5:22-26. (Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) You represented none of which but rather than works of flesh such as outburst of wrath, contentions, hatred, dissentions and you falsely accused me of plagiarizing. Again, I have to ask are you saved? I am speaking of being born again, not eternal life.
*News Flash** these Universalistic people that you are referring to might be saying this quote “mans interpretation” because that is what Paul talked about in scripture to the churches that were starting to teach by their own spirit and not by Gods. Also, Universalism teaching is not the only church that quotes that phrase.
I am beginning to think maybe it’s just you that has a problem with the Bible being quoted back to you because it actually makes you think for yourself.
At what point did I which you call “universalistic,” become darkness? Is that any reason not to fellowship? If that is the case, whom do you think Jesus was talking about when He said go unto the world? Surely, we’re not only meant to talk to those that agree 100% with us; after all, who would we fellowship with?
God said my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6 I am still studying the Bible just in other translations. The Holy Spirit is everything you said. We will agree on that for sure.
I do apologize to anyone that felt I was misusing this forum and questioning anything you all said. That certainly was not my intentions I just thought we were discussing and fellowshipping. If anyone is offended please forgive me.
Yes, I agree no one other than the Holy Spirit can speak for God. Even though I have been baptized in water, Spirit and in fire I don’t make a point to speak for God. Although, the Holy Spirit that dwells within me does. This would lead to another teaching called Rhema Word. Although, as to why I said what I said was because it is in the Bible and it is in RED LETTERS. Does that qualify?
Now, I need you to understand what I believe your not understanding from others that don’t believe like you. It seems to be okay for you to interpret (yes…I know you’re saying that the Holy Spirit gives you understanding to your heart) scripture and even quote what you have been taught but it’s not okay for others to interpret what we feel the Holy Spirit has revealed to our heart through revelation So, the question would be is the Holy Spirit interpreting both sides differently or does man have it wrong? This is why we study to show ourselves approved.
**I took out the text that shows I cut and pasted out of my word document so this time for sure I won't get falsely accused.**
Last edited by casey hollowell; 10-28-2009 at 04:58 PM..
I assure you and all who reads this, I did not plagiarize anything. As I told Latte chic, I write my words on Word Doc. then copy and paste. I am not the best speller (wish I was) and the last thing I would want is for someone to attack my intelligiance. Not saying I have a lot (just kidding) lol Be Blessed
Last edited by casey hollowell; 10-28-2009 at 06:22 PM..
If I had one big jar of marbles, and the marbles were of various colors, sizes and designed background patterns, and dumped the whole jar on the floor, could we make some observations on it?
First, there is one jar = Creation
Second, marbles are different one from another and scattered (poured out) = Fallen
Third, The determination to gather all the spilled marbles is made. = Judgment
Fourth, in order to again save the lot, one would have to gather them all again into a the same jar that they came out of. = The effort made to gather all the marbles back into the jar made. = Payment and salvation.
Universal salvation is the spilling and the gathering of all the spilled marbles at no expense to the individual marble.
The differences amongst all the marbles is the individuality of each marble equates to one's beliefs.
The test is then, on how we apply Godly principals to life, that determines blessings or cursing and how we love our enemies, and neighbors.
Yet, still, we are as all marbles and will be gathered sooner or later by the hand of God back into the original Jar.
Blessings, AJ
I used to play marbles when I was a kid. I still have a collection of them. Never thought of myself as a marble. But I`ve been called worse....on this forum!
Fascinating thing, a few days before you sent this post, I was studying in the Book of Revelations and my mind had wondered off and I saw the “every knee shall bow calling Him Lord” image in my mind and with that image came a question that fell into my spirit. The question was, "wouldn't this be how Apostle Paul got his first revelation as to who the Lord is?" By your post, I am going to further my study. More than likely I will ask questions. Would you mind? I do not want to offend anyone. I never stop studying the Word of God nor do I believe I have or will have all the answers in this life.
I had made a comment to katjonjj and will extend it to you and pcamps, and that is I have learned from your comments and I get blessed from reading them. Not because of any reason other than I know we share the same Spirit. **Unity in the Spirit**
Be Blessed
Wow…even though I couldn’t see or hear you physically I detected an attitude, which appeared like attacking or maybe being condescending or maybe both. Either way, I sure did read your mail in the Spirit as I bet others did as well. You speak of something that you do not know yet it doesn’t stop you from persisting. I told you I do not attach my beliefs to any doctrine yet you still persist on calling me a universalistic person. Truthfully, I have never heard of such until someone from this forum told me about it.
I am asking you to tell me what was not Gods word and explain to me what you call “Casey Hollowell” words. If I am wrong, then show me where I am wrong but don’t expect to quote scriptures and pray they land on deaf and dumb ears. I do study and yes I may have error but never have I ever expected someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit in them and not bring such fruit Galatians 5:22-26. (Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) You represented none of which but rather than works of flesh such as outburst of wrath, contentions, hatred, dissentions and you falsely accused me of plagiarizing. Again, I have to ask are you saved? I am speaking of being born again, not eternal life.
*News Flash** these Universalistic people that you are referring to might be saying this quote “mans interpretation” because that is what Paul talked about in scripture to the churches that were starting to teach by their own spirit and not by Gods. Also, Universalism teaching is not the only church that quotes that phrase.
I am beginning to think maybe it’s just you that has a problem with the Bible being quoted back to you because it actually makes you think for yourself.
At what point did I which you call “universalistic,” become darkness? Is that any reason not to fellowship? If that is the case, whom do you think Jesus was talking about when He said go unto the world? Surely, we’re not only meant to talk to those that agree 100% with us; after all, who would we fellowship with?
God said my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6 I am still studying the Bible just in other translations. The Holy Spirit is everything you said. We will agree on that for sure.
I do apologize to anyone that felt I was misusing this forum and questioning anything you all said. That certainly was not my intentions I just thought we were discussing and fellowshipping. If anyone is offended please forgive me.
Yes, I agree no one other than the Holy Spirit can speak for God. Even though I have been baptized in water, Spirit and in fire I don’t make a point to speak for God. Although, the Holy Spirit that dwells within me does. This would lead to another teaching called Rhema Word. Although, as to why I said what I said was because it is in the Bible and it is in RED LETTERS. Does that qualify?
Now, I need you to understand what I believe your not understanding from others that don’t believe like you. It seems to be okay for you to interpret (yes…I know you’re saying that the Holy Spirit gives you understanding to your heart) scripture and even quote what you have been taught but it’s not okay for others to interpret what we feel the Holy Spirit has revealed to our heart through revelation So, the question would be is the Holy Spirit interpreting both sides differently or does man have it wrong? This is why we study to show ourselves approved.
**I took out the text that shows I cut and pasted out of my word document so this time for sure I won't get falsely accused.**
Thank you.....casey hollowell!
I truly know how blessed I am!!
Jesus always reminds and encourages me with His precious word....., "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matt.5:11-12)
[SIZE=3]Question: Do we have to accept a gift in order for the "gift" to be considered a “gift” from which it was intended to be? For instance and a fact, Jesus did give a gift which was and is us having redemption to God. He died and was buried and rose again on the third day for us to all equally have the same gift. He (metaphorically speaking) went out, purchased the perfect gift for you and I and laid it at our feet and your saying we have to pick it up in order for it to become a “gift”. The gift was already bought. Based on what you’re saying, He's going to have to either return the gift where He bought it or go back to the cross and take back the words “it is finished” and say “It will be finished for all those that believe in me” and continue suffering on the cross. No.... He's not going to undo what he already done. He's not going to go back to the cross and suffer more waiting and hoping we accept a gift that He gave with His whole heart. He gave it with no conditions or expectations. Isn’t that what we do when we buy gifts for those we love or should I say what we should do? Even if we were to give a gift to someone and they chose not to open or use the gift it wouldn’t change the meaning of the word GIFT? After all, a gift is a gift no matter if the person receives it or not. Our intension is to buy a gift and give it as a gift. We can refuse a gift yes. However, by doing so we won't get a chance to enjoy the fruit of the gift (fruit of the gift is not referring to eternal life in heaven I am referring to the Good News-Gospel). Imagine a tree being the gift of redemption and the fruit of the tree being salvation born again. Now lets say what really happened. Jesus died for all sin past, present and future on the cross and said it is finished. This means it will not change what Jesus did, that Jesus will not take anything back, and it’s not up for discussion etc…. Then, He went back to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit to earth. Consider the gift a package deal from one man to ALL men. ALL INCLUSIVE. Next, come the Apostles doing as what Jesus said to Peter. Tend My lambs, tend My sheep, and feed My sheep. “MY” he was claiming us before we received His gift. By the way, the knocking is the Holy Spirit and He comes to till our ground and help make our ground fertile. So when the sower comes to sow the word it will be on fertile ground and will bear fruit. After all, who will know what they feel or who Jesus is if a preacher did not preach the word? Or for that matter, if the ground were not fertile (made by the Holy Spirit) then no seed would live. 1John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born again, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. This is where we should be now onto the born again part. People have been teaching that being born again happens when Jesus died on the cross and that’s not true. After the sower sows the word on fertile ground the fruit believes and receives Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior this is the born again part. This is where the kingdom of God and so forth takes place. Be Blessed[/SIZE]
Actually a gift can be denied!! If someone was recieving the gift, and flat-out told you they didn't like it, not to give it to them!! I myself believe that the "GIFT" that Christ Gave us was his Holy Spirit. The spirit that guides us in our journey to be more like Jesus. I feel that sometimes God uses me through the Spirit to save someone of his choosing. That is the whole premise of the Holy Spirit. If not, then what is the purpose of the gift??? Back to gift denial........ That is kind of how I look at this situation. These days it seems that instead of denying the gift that Jesus is offering, some are asking for a receipt so they can exchange the gift to something of their own liking. My own Analogy.
ALMOST2L8 In fact speaking (typing) with most of you in these last few months, I can honestly say that universalists that I have met online are some of the most caring, loving, and very well educated individuals. But I would most definately guarantee that people will use this religious view for very evil purposes. Not to say that there isn't evil individuals in other religious views. Including my own. But there is something disturbing about the thought that it doesn't matter how bad we are or what sins I commit. Because I am living the greatest life!! I'll deal with the smack on the hand that my Father gives me after I have my fun!!! Again I do not believe that anyone on C-D acts or thinks in this way. It is just an example of how evil people could use this view to commit evil deeds and decieve others into thinking the same way!!
Casey Hollowell response to the above comment made by ALMOST2L8 Questions and Statements: In regards to the above quote not saying I am considered a "Universalistic person" however, I do have a question as a Saint to another Saint (this is what Jesus called us; he never called himself or anyone a Christian neither did the Apostles). Whether you’re a "Universalistic person" or "Saint", don't we still have sinful acts? Aren’t we comforted to know that we as believers have a "get out of hell free card"? We cannot be concerned with the intensions of the wicked. We have to keep moving forward and not keep trying to deflect what Jesus said will happen. We have no power to change the hearts of man or to save anyone. That is what Jesus did and is doing through His Spirit. Just because we believe differently doesn't mean it changes what Jesus did. It's as if we are arguing over a baseball game that happened 2,000 years ago. No matter how good our arguments are it will never change what happened. However, what it can do is turn people off from ever wanting to hear the word baseball again. This is happening today. What has been and is still being preached today is that we have to believe in Jesus in the death, burial and resurrection in order to have eternal life. With this kind of teaching, look at all it excludes. It excludes the ones that died before Christ, the ones that did not live in the region where Christ and His Disciples walked. Even now the ones in other countries or even in our own country where people are raised up in a non "Christian" lifestyle. More so, ones that are forced to believe a certain religion and it’s all they know through their heritage. People are dying everyday and as much as we would like to believe all would have the chance to know Christ before they die, will. However, sadly it has not happened and will not happen in this life. Look at our history since Christ died until now. Apparently, if you believe in the resurrection you would agree that by being resurrected there will be some left behind. This is not up for discussion because we all know the truth which is we would be a fool to believe anything without out our own knowledge and to strictly base it on someone else’s. Well, in the same reference if I have to believe in what a man tells me as truth in order to get salvation then I could of went to Mohammed for that matter or even Buda. Face it, we are to only know what the Father reveals through His Spirit not mans. I don't understand why we keep saying we have to believe or accept Jesus in order to get saved for eternity because from what Jesus told Nicodemus which was he must be born again in order to ever know Christ. I can believe all kinds of things all day long but it still doesn't make them true. Beliefs can be altered but knowing will never be snatched away. The only way to know who Jesus is would be through God and only He determines who gets born again through His sovereignty. Remember, saved (Sozo) eternity Jesus did through death, burial and resurrection (Good News). Salvation (Sonterio) means being saved in this life from our own hearts which is wicked God says. Sonterio (salvation) is what Jesus is doing through Gods Spirit. We have NO power to save anyone. Not one good message can save anyone from eternal flame. Jesus already did that. He through His Spirit will help us know not believe who He is. He (God) needs a preacher to preach the Good News to let the lost know who Jesus is and what Jesus did for them. We teach what door salesman teach. Door salesmen give a big pitch on how this certain vacuum cleaner will make our lives easier and begin to tell us it does all these great things and your even considering purchasing it until... the cost is revealed and you realize its too expensive. Maybe your thinking its too good to be true... either way, you still close the door. Good News is only good if it doesn't cost anything nor if it requires anything of you. Right?
Be Blessed
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How could you not be concerned with the intentions of the wicked?? Even Jesus said he didn't come to for the saints, but for the wicked!! Do you not believe in the Trinity??? If Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one, then doesn't that mean Jesus is with us in his "GIFT", and continues to save sinners??? Your door salesman analogy would'nt hold water because, I don't think good news is only good if it doesn't require anything of me!!! But rather it is only good news if, I love the gift giver enough to return the favor without a worry of the cost!!! Funny thing about the GOOD news,the definition of the word good in websters dictionary is:
1. having proper qualities
2. beneficial
3. of moral excellence
Of moral EXCELLENCE!! Not, partially moral. Not, try for moral excellence. But, OF MORAL EXCELLENCE. It also says having proper qualities. That quality is the Holy Spirit that he gives us to reach the moral excellence part. And without a doubt, knowing the truth, is definately beneficial!!!
GOD BLESS!!!
ALMOST2L8
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