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So let's review the substance of each from a trinitarian viewpoint:
God is Spirit
The Holy Spirit is Spirit
Jesus is Spirit in Flesh
So when a trinitarian states that a person is filled with Christ what exactly are they saying? Christ was filled with Spirit, Christians are filled with Spirit... Christ, most trinitarians agree, is not Spirit but both flesh and Spirit...
Both God and the Holy Spirit are of the same substance but Christ is different because of his flesh. How can they be one in substance?
And how can Jesus give Spirit when it the Spirit of God is supposed to be a different role...the Holy Spirit.. Furthermore, Spirit in it's purest form is God so then one must say that the Holy Spirit originates in God.. right?
To be honest I don't feel like going around in circles with you. It is the spirit of God, because Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is the one that the person is filled with.
How is it Jesus, because He is God. If you don't understand the concept then oh, well. I really don't have the time to debate, have way to much work to do.
To be honest I don't feel like going around in circles with you. It is the spirit of God, because Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is the one that the person is filled with.
How is it Jesus, because He is God. If you don't understand the concept then oh, well. I really don't have the time to debate, have way to much work to do.
Why'd you post then? My advice: Next time.. don't bother if you don't have any clarification to offer... Posting to tell me it is a waste of your time to post is just plain silly.
Why'd you post then? My advice: Next time.. don't bother if you don't have any clarification to offer... Posting to tell me it is a waste of your time to post is just plain silly.
It just gets to a point when you get really bored with debating with someone who can't see or understand scripture. So, you are right I want even bother next time.
It seems to me that the roles of Christ compared to God are well defined but when it comes to the Holy Spirit compared to Christ their roles get all mixed up.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
I understand it like this: Christ was with the disciples but not yet IN the disciples. They witnessed the exact representation of God's nature in the flesh. But God's nature was not yet their nature. When Christ is formed in us, then we have His Spirit.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
I understand it like this: Christ was with the disciples but not yet IN the disciples. They witnessed the exact representation of God's nature in the flesh. But God's nature was not yet their nature. When Christ is formed in us, then we have His Spirit.
Yet according to 2 Peter 1:21 "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
So isn't Christ's spirit the Holy Spirit or is Jesus not considered a prophet?
Therefore when one says Filled with Christ wouldn't that be inaccurate? Shouldn't it be filled with the Holy Spirit? Christ and the Holy Spirit have different roles after all.. right?
Yes I understand that.. I just wonder.. when I'm reading the bible and it says Spirit is that Christ or the Holy Spirit?
Depends on the context.
"The Spirit" can be yours, mine or ours.
"The Holy Spirit" is the annointing that we can receive which brings "ONEness" with God.
As the Holy Spirit can fill or leave one's being based on the person's heed and diligence, capacity to love, and desire to live by the be-attitudes that Jesus taught.
If we receive the Spirit of God and grieve said Spirit, then it can withdraw itself from the pressence of the individual.
Which leaves our Spirits to fend for themselves, until we discipline ourselves back into His ways.
"The Holy Spirit" is the annointing that we can receive which brings "ONEness" with God.
As the Holy Spirit can fill or leave one's being based on the person's heed and diligence, capacity to love, and desire to live by the be-attitudes that Jesus taught.
If we receive the Spirit of God and grieve said Spirit, then it can withdraw itself from the pressence of the individual.
Which leaves our Spirits to fend for themselves, until we discipline ourselves back into His ways.
godspeed,
freedom
But according to Genesis our spirit is breathed into us by God therefore it is God's spirit that causes us to be a living soul.. So our spirit is not our own as Jesus' spirit is not his own but given to him by God.
So when someone attributes what is God's to Jesus.. I have a problem with that.. Kinda borders on blasphemy of the holy spirit IMHO
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