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i agree with the your last statement, because ,any is not the same as all.
The word is Greek word used for many is Polys ... It can mean all or most or more than a few ... Look at how it is used in ... Rom 5:15 and in Rom 5:19
Rom 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Exactly how many people die? And exactly how many people are in sin because of Adam? That's right ... All people ... The word here is the same ... It is polys ... And it should be understood in these verses not as "many", but as "the many", or "the multitude" ... And the same "Many" who were made sinners and died because of Adam, is the exact same "Many" who will eventually be made righteous and who will have grace abound to them because of Christ.
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No, people choose to reject Jesus and His teaching and place themselves there because of sin. That which they love they do not want to give up.
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Correct answer, this is what the Bible teaches.
According to the bible, people reject Christ because they are deceived. That is what the bible teaches. Why this fact slips past so many people escapes me ...
The word is Greek word used for many is Polys ... It can mean all or most or more than a few ... Look at how it is used in ... Rom 5:15 and in Rom 5:19
Rom 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Exactly how many people die? And exactly how many people are in sin because of Adam? That's right ... All people ... The word here is the same ... It is polys ... And it should be understood in these verses not as "many", but as "the many", or "the multitude" ...
I agree. Unless you're the offspring of aliens from another galaxy, you've descended from and are represented by Adam. Whoever Adam represented, so did Christ.
Actually to make it even more plain, here is a literal reading of the text:
Rom 5:18 So, then, as through one offence to all men it is to condemnation, so also through one declaration of `Righteous' it is to all men to justification of life;
Rom 5:19 for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.
The wingnuts who constantly argue against it (Calvinist's and Arminian's) may infact be from outer space. I'm not sure yet.
Paul's testimony speaks for itself though. All declared righteous and justified in Christ.
However, all do not know it, as yet. Being and knowing are two different things. This is why it is so important to let everyone know it, today. Proclaim the good news (Gospel)!
The elect hear it and do know it in this world. The rest who do not know it, will know it. To be testified in it's own time.
1Ti 2:6 who did give himself a ransom for all--the testimony in its own times--
Yes, deceived that they have sin which separates them from God, and are unwilling to face that fact and acknowledge Christ as Saviour.
You said ...
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deceived that they have sin which separates them from God
So what are you saying ... ? They they don't really have sin and are not really separated from God?
Here is what the bible says ...
2 Cor 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
But Jesus has come to give sight to the blind and the find the lost in due season ...
I agree. Unless you're the offspring of aliens from another galaxy, you've descended from and are represented by Adam. Whoever Adam represented, so did Christ.
Actually to make it even more plain, here is a literal reading of the text:
Rom 5:18 So, then, as through one offence to all men it is to condemnation, so also through one declaration of `Righteous' it is to all men to justification of life;
Rom 5:19 for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.
The wingnuts who constantly argue against it (Calvinist's and Arminian's) may infact be from outer space. I'm not sure yet.
Paul's testimony speaks for itself though. All declared righteous and justified in Christ.
However, all do not know it, as yet. Being and knowing are two different things. This is why it is so important to let everyone know it, today. Proclaim the good news (Gospel)!
The elect hear it and do know it in this world. The rest who do not know it, will know it. To be testified in it's own time.
1Ti 2:6 who did give himself a ransom for all--the testimony in its own times--
way up! I thank God each day for the Elect spreading the Gospel! Hallelujah my friend.
Isa 52:7 How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of him proclaiming good news, making peace heard, bearing tidings of good, making heard salvation, saying to Zion, Your God reigns.
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
Who is the many? Who are the few?
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isa 54: 3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Isa 54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Israel is the many...the few are the remnant Jewish Christians.
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
Who is the many? Who are the few?
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isa 54: 3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Isa 54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Israel is the many...the few are the remnant Jewish Christians.
I have to disagree with you friend. Who are the gentile Christians then? Was it only Israel that die and became bound to sin because of Adam? Or was it every person who will ever live on earth beside Christ himself? The many is everyone. And the same many that die and are bound to sin because of Adam, are the very same many that will be made alive in Christ. Though in the old testament they had not become aware of the fact that God would graft the gentile nations in, nevertheless that was the whole point of the new covenant. Now there is no difference between the circumcission and the uncircumcision save for what is in the heart.
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way up! I thank God each day for the Elect spreading the Gospel! Hallelujah my friend.
